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That house was full of almost nothing I’d eat! I fried up the remaining vegetables which amounted to: some rotting peppers and old onions, with eggs and some *cough* extra moldy blue cheese.

The rest of the time I had to stare at: Hot Pockets, cupcakes, jelly filled white donuts, fresh breads, boxes of sugary cereals, berry/aspartame fill yogurts, freezer FULL of “fruit bars”, and mountains of home canned fruit and jellies laying around! Of course behind cupboard doors were all the delicious MSG and soy infused hydrogenated oil products.

I left that place eating zero junk! The worst sugar filled thing I had was a very fresh Braeburn apple

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It took me somewhere between 6 to 18 months to completely break free of the sugar and grains addiction. Somewhere in this period, the severe cravings slowly and steadily diminished. Now I can stare at a plateful of birthday cake or a plate of garlic-cream pasta without so much as a flinch. I’d even choose to eat a *small portion* at a holiday meal with close friends and family, but only as a means to enjoy fully the holiday spirit along with the others.

Great post, Grok.

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@ GunnarGSD As you well know, the K9 is mans best friend. Why should they make his food any better?

Congrats on your turnaround no matter how you got there.

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Look at the number of sick, fat people at the doctor’s office and you’ll easily be able to compare that to the sick, fat pets at the vet’s office. The advice being given is not sound.

I saw a quote, but I don’t recall the list I saw it on. It went something like this – not a direct quote: People go to their doctors for medical advice. All they get are more medications.”

I think that says a lot. Just remember: A healthy population generates less monies for the medical community and the pharmaceutical companies.

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This began MONTHS of research into canine diets, the damage vaccines do, fixing illness and not covering up the symptoms, etc. Very briefly summarized – for at least 16,000 years domestic dogs ate scraps of food provided by the humans. Wild dogs have prospered for much longer than that off their kills or the kills of others. To thrive dogs need meat, bone and offal. PERIOD. They need no grains, fruits or vegetables.

Greed and profit came into play and now humans are manufacturing food for dogs that offer a convenience. Much like processed human foods are a convenience, processed dog foods are a convenience and with that offering come the illnesses and disease. Dogs and humans are both negatively affected by these convenience foods.

Back to profit: Dog food manufacturers are in the business of making a profit, so they lessen the quality of the ingredients, add more fillers (grains) and offer this as a food for your dog.

Look at the dog population and you’ll see disease and obesity that mirrors the humans that care for them.

During the time I was researching a diet for my dog I was actively involved with Weight Watchers. In 10 months I lost 90#, but still felt like garbage, friends I hadn’t seen in a while thought I was sick and none of my previous illnesses – like hypertension – had been eleviated.

Seeing the positive results that my dogs were experiencing, I started looking at what *I* should be eating. The whirlwind of information started to flow in and I’ve been a fan for several months now. I feel better than I have in years though I’ve not been 100% faithful to the diet/lifestyle.

As each week progresses I become more committed and more enthusiastic. I’ve turned my “look” around so that I look healthy now. I’m able to maintain my bodyweight without much thought/effort.

Regardless of what Grok ate, I’m content with what I have available: Raw milk, grass-fed beef, veggies and very limited fruits. Now if I could find raw beer my plan would be complete.

Lastly, for those who may have questions about a species-appropriate diet, please get with me. I’ll be more than happy to share my knowledge with you.

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Diet is 100% in the politics and religion category. It makes up the third leg of the “Three things you avoid like the plague on dates”. I use twitter to help get all three out of my system.

Here’s me:
A paleolithic, agnostic, constitutionalist. Don’t like it? Talk to someone who gives a crap

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I pretty much lump “diet” in with religion and politics. To sway somebody from one position to another, it’s going to take either a sudden powerful event (I almost died, now I believe in god!) or a long process of gathering information from the alternative point of view. A 5 minute conversation simply isn’t going to be enough in most cases.

So if people are curious, I’ll talk about it. I mean, some people you’ll never be able to open up to an alternate point of view. Example: I’ve read where people will look at this very fit and lean person (who got that way through paleo/primal) and say, “Well sure, they look healthy, but I worry about what’s going to happen to them when they get older” (meaning, heart disease, diabetes, cancer, etc).

Ah well, we know what’s good for us, right? I feel no need to defend my views unless it is going to have some effect in my life and the life of others (say, like banning raw milk).

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Kill to Eat Finale.

I think you’ll enjoy it.

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Awesome, you must be in whitetail or muley country. Around here you get lucky if you can even see a couple. Best wishes on your hunt! Go practice already!

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Your recent post that showed you gutting a deer got me motivated. I spent last weekend sitting out in the woods with a friend (that knows how to gut a deer properly) and a bow. We got off a couple of shots but didn’t score. We’re planning on hitting the archery range this week and giving it another try at month’s end. I intend to fill my freezer with fresh venison this year for sure!

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Definitely! Being happy with what you’re eating certainly goes a long way for the mental side of eating issues (probably most people’s problem). It’s obviously working just fine for you (at least for now) and may forever.

I do think you have a good dose of luck in there though.

Up until a few years ago I was perfectly happy eating what I was eating also and didn’t care about the volume at the time. As a matter of fact, it was cool! I could out eat anyone (or two) people. Makes you feel like a mans man! I always maintained a average body (skinny-fat). I’m 6′ and fluctuated between 170-189lbs. I got to down to 125lbs pounds in 2001 jogging a lot on a diet of endless boxes of Cocoa Puffs, quarts of honey, saltine crackers and bottles of original Xenadrine (ephedra). This was my low-fat diet. I stopped within months when the inflammation took out my knees. I blamed it on motocross.

The problem is, I started caring about the volume and then the quality when my grain based diet just about killed me by the age of 26. I had about every ailment under the sun. Dr.s took one look at my decent physical appearance and said I was fine. I’m not a big fan of pharma medicine anymore as a result.

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Honestly, though, if you’re healthy and happy, more power to you. But if that ever changes, paleo/primal is there to help.

Curiosity: What makes up your “whatever the hell I want” category? Carbs aren’t bad, and a HC diet can work if they are healthy and un- or under-refined carbs. The fewer “white” carbs you consume, the better.

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I would love to do an 3-6 month experiment with eating this way but I just cannot be bothered. It’s not that I do not care about general health. I really do. I eat plenty of fruits, healthy fats, fish oil etc. Once my daily requirements are met, I just eat whatever the hell I want to make up for energy expenditure.

I just don’t have any real issue with hunger, satiety or ever feeling deprived. Maybe I am just lucky but I feel it has a lot to do with my flexible approach.

Then again, it could be voodoo magic of the western diet

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I read that somewhere once to. I dumped such HUGE volumes of sugar (you guys couldn’t even fathom the stuff I did) into my system for so many years, I have no troubles believing this for a second. I will literally shake sometimes at the sight & smell of birthday cake and ice cream. I should bring a blood meter with me sometime for fun.

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“The longer I was on the diet eating natural foods 99% of the time, I found myself actually craving my meats rarer and rarer”

Nail on the head. I eat 100% cacao now and it tastes like a Hershey bar. I’m salivating just thinking about it. I’d eat raw meat all the time, but I’m slightly worried about parasites. Even in fresh game meat. I feel nature just isn’t allowed to run it’s course anymore and wipe out the weak with all our management and intervention, so there’s more bugs in food.

“My wife won’t even consider eating the same thing back to back”

It’s a women thing… they can just never be happy Ha-ha You know I love ya ladies!

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But I figure after having lost 150+ lbs that I won’t let a stall keep me from losing the last 25lbs! So I’m willing to give it up for a bit as well.

On the subject of rare meats, I fix all of mine extremely rare and have no compunction about eating ground meat raw – I often do.

I also eat much of the same things every day – my menu is pretty limited compared to the typical SAD diet: meat, eggs, cheese/butter, some veg (cruciferous mostly, plus roots/bulbs)… aaaand that’s about it.

I love what I eat, though, and have no cravings for crap even when at a buffet or family gathering. It’s pretty cool.

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One of these days I’m going to write a post on it, but just too lazy…

Think of latitudinal differences in diet. The Inuit way up north get very little sugar via fruits or veggies, but tons and tons of fat. As you move south, the game you’ll find at a latitude will have less and less fat but you’ll find more fruits and veggies to replace the drop in fat energy. Until you get to the tropics where the game will be very lean and you’ll find more tropical fruits, etc. The carbs you find in nature are much healthier than processed carbs INCLUDING the fruits and veggies you find in supermarket produce sections… I consider those highly processed because they have been bred for sugar content, not nutrition.

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I can’t recall the source of my information, but I do remember reading that just the thought of food will get your digestive system revved up and, yes, that includes a preliminary insulin spike. So being around food you can’t eat will certainly spike your insulin, leading to low blood sugar and the cravings that go with it.

“I think its funny when Vegans say ”humans are repulsed by the thought of raw meat.” How in the hell would they know? Have they ever tasted it? Just about everyone I know loves a good rare or medium rare steak.”

That reminds me of this post: Paleo YouTube Videos

I commented on that post: “First off, I agree that vegans are wrong. But I disagree that it takes “a very hungry person.” While I’m not currently following a paleodiet for reasons other than diet or health, I did follow that way of eating for about a year. The longer I was on the diet eating natural foods 99% of the time, I found myself actually craving my meats rarer and rarer. Not sure if it was because of the diet, or a blow to the head, but once I stopped eating natural, I could no longer stomach the same rarity.”

In addition to that, I’m not a seafood fan and can barely stand the fish oil I take. But once I was paleo for a few months, I started craving fish. So going primal/paleo will certainly affect your tastes and preferences.

“I’m one of those people that’s kind of like a dog… I’ll eat the same thing at every meal for a long time and be completely happy.”

I’m with you on this one. My wife won’t even consider eating the same thing back to back, but I can eat and have eaten a properly done meal repeatedly for weeks.

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I’ve spent a lot of time outdoors. I haven’t see a whole lot of of supermarket food growing out there in my years of travel. I know my pasty white ass’s lineage is not from anywhere near the tropics, so I’m probably not much of a fruit eater type Probably more likely mountain goat, rabbit, lichen, seagull eggs & dandelions Ha-ha!

I’m really considering doing a bunch of toying/research with metabolic typing. I’ve never quite been on that wagon and know I’m perfectly capable of being healthy without it, but I’ve tried a million tweaks to my diet and still can’t figure out my satiety issue. MT definitely has some merit and being hungry all the time is annoying. I don’t really know what else to do.

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Mainly I really just enjoyed reading your viewpoint, figuring out what it really means to be primal/paleo and realizing you aren’t one of those schmucks.

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Up until two weeks ago (started the 6WC) I was going through 1-2 gallons of raw milk per week and probably no less than 6-10oz of cheese a day. I cook in mostly butter and also use butter slices for a snack. I am a dairy consumer! You can see how this gets a bit out of hand.

This pic was 34oz (17oz x 2) of rare elk meat with who knows how much cheese. I want to think it was somewhere around 4oz. It didn’t fill me up.

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I’ve been LC for over 2 years and Paleo/Primal for over a year of that.

If you are dedicated to improving your health it’s a perfectly do-able lifestyle. I intend to eat this way for the rest of my life.

For what it’s worth, I have NEVER fallen off the wagon – ever. Then again, I’m a “do or do not’ sort of person. I gave up tobacco and caffiene cold turkey. When i went Paleo I just did it one day and never looked back.

Also, my “cheat” or 20% is cheese and alcohol. Cake, ice cream, and candy don’t hold a candle to a slice of good cheddar or a glass of red wine.

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I get your second point, but I’m one of those people that’s kind of like a dog… I’ll eat the same thing at every meal for a long time and be completely happy. I have to mix it up just to make sure I’m getting all my nutrients. Ha-ha! When I first started primal, I was at a complete loss about how to eat without bread & cereals.

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It is hard to sustain at times (every now and then I find that I run out of ideas for meals and want/do fall back on bread/pasta) and yes, it seems like falling off the wagon tends to be an extreme thing. However, you can immediately feel the difference in your body and that is always a wakeup call.

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