Podcast – “Jimmy Moore Show” Interview
Finally recored with Jimmy. Actually wish I would have rescheduled, but I guess it turned out ok.
http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/shownotes/5441/516-chris-kesser-and-castle-grok/
Chronicles of a Modern Caveman
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So cool! I hope Jimmy tries a fruitarian Diet
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Honestly, I hope Jimmy tries about anything but low-carb. I’ll leave it at that for now.
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On the comment section Jimmy says:
“I agree with you that it seems odd that you’d eat more carbs to make your babies healthier with all the negative effects on health they have been shown to have”.
LOL….this is insane. lets go to Central-Africa rural China where people have been consuming near-vegan diets forever, carbs come around 80% of the calories, what we are seeing is the most healthy, trim and strongest people on the globe. So now we have (allegedly) studies showing that feeding babies potatoes & whole-grains causes problems. Ahem…….
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I’d feed babies breast milk, but the parents reducing carbs to reduce negative effects? I just don’t buy it, unless those carb calories are coming from nutrient devoid sources and making up a good portion of the diet.
I’d have to read the study instead of the sound byte to find the holes in it, but frankly I don’t care. My future baby momma can eat all the whole food (fruits/veg/minimal grains) carbs she wants if they make her feel good. Momma not stressing out “trying” to stick to some diet out of the norm can’t be good for a fetus either.
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^Grok
The traditional Japanese cuisine is about 80% carbs, we ain’t seeing sick babies there. The same can be said about much of Asia. In fact we have famous pediatricians sain’ that kids should not be fed with meat and dairy at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Spock
Here’s the studies we should be paying attention
“We found that exposure to a high-fat diet before birth modifies gene expression in the livers of offspring so they are more likely to overproduce glucose, which can cause early insulin resistance and diabetes,” said Yuan-Xiang Pan, a U of I professor of nutrition”.
High-Fat Diet During Pregnancy Programs Child for Future Diabetes, Study Suggests
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110525164110.htm
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Grok, check these out. Primitivenutrion youtube channel, 71 very high-class videos refuting pretty much the whole “paleo”-bogus.
Check out the few videos on Minger. LOL
http://www.youtube.com/user/PrimitiveNutrition#p/u/8/mlgrDFPu3gU
China study is covered on the vids 62-65, inuit health 27-28, this stuff is Gold everything from Cordain, Phinney, Masai health, etc.
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The whole wheat story of China study…lol
http://www.youtube.com/user/PrimitiveNutrition#p/u/6/RlD9W34sKbI
I salute you Grok from having the intellectual power to navigate away from teachings of the bloggers.
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Richard, I did start watching those yesterday. He pointed out a few things (that I wouldnt even have cared about) but found most of his argument to be mostly crap.
I have to leave right now. Might expand on this later
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I’m not going to finish watching them. I just don’t have time and don’t care about veganism.
I do feel humans have a species specific diet. It’s that of an omnivorous one. That’s the only conclusion I draw. My personal preference, and that in which I promote, is one of mostly plants. Something closer to vegetarian than what’s thought to be standard paleo.
I care about animal welfare, but animals are part of the food chain. I’m not going to change my position on that. Veganism makes no sense to me, except for someone who has hyperactive emotions towards animal welfare. I don’t have those. Veganism might work for a good block of people long term, I just don’t have the emotions to care enough to take the risk to try.
I look, feel, and perform better with some animal products in the mix. Most of those products never had a face. I’m not a steak, bacon, and pork chop eater. Not that I don’t feel moderate amounts of those things can be part of a healthful diet, I just don’t find I need them, therefor I don’t go out of my way. If I want flesh, I’ll take fish in a second over any four legged creature. Been that way all my life, long before I ever put any effort into thinking about food.
I’d actually prefer to kill all the animal products I eat myself. I don’t like how detached people are from their foods (any kinds) these days. Unfortunately the way society is structured with jobs, taxes, etc.. that’s not an option for most anymore.
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Richard= Angry Dick??? <<<>>>> I always thought he was hot!
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Grok,
I know you are a caveman, and don’t care about veganism. The video-channel is not about veganism. It’s about the bogus science of the paleo-crew “appeal to nature”. As said, these vids are of very high quality and thus recommended. I know you are not there anymore, but nevertheless those videos are great. I am also aware you have a special thingy for Minger, that’s ok. If you think a 23 year old english teacher, affiliated with Weston Price Foundation, can give you solid analysis, well….whatever rocks your boat.
I Particularly like the segment on cholesterol deniers, vids 40-42. Video number six is about the radical genetical adaptation which animals and humans have shown in the past history, that’s why for an evolutionary biologist the argument that we should eat like a bunch genetically drifted primitive tribes is hard to sell. Very fun stuff, you should thank me
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Ok, I’ll watch 40-42 just for you.
On my “special thingy” for Minger… I don’t. She’s 24, not a English teacher, and not affiliated with WAPF. She has flaws, but does happen to be pretty good at crunching data. 24 is young, but has nothing to do with being good at something. I’ll spare you examples.
I’m considering writing a speech for WAPF. Does that make me affiliated with them? WAPF lobbies for small organic local farmers. Sounds like a bad thing to me! LMAO. I’m not really on board, but like veganism, their message is mostly good. I take from it what I need.
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Wow, cool stuff. Thanks for the links to the studies. It’s not suprising that the mothers high fat diet is going to link to the kids potential to have diabetes. People are so used to the addage that you need to eat for two, when its crazy! Anyways, I like your blog:)
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^Grok,
thanks for looking the videos for me
You have to be pretty darn naive to believe that Minger has a sincere interest in nutrition or willing put up an objective stance. The fact the she delivers her pseudoscience with eloquence is another chapter. As said, you can frequent with the bogus wheat analysis of the paleo-crew on the videos 62-65. Since you are not capable telling who is good at crunching data, I tell you, you’r better off from staying away from the bloggers that do that.
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And, the fact that WAPF stand for the small farmer makes up a cute story, someone has to stand for the 1% of the niche…..well maybe not. The message of the WAPF is even more grotesque than that of the cattle ranchers association. And that is what counts. We are after information, well atleast I am. The message of WAPF is, “stay away from plants, make most of animals”. That’s not good in my opinion. And Minger refers vegans as living in la-la-land. Big LOL. We definitely are not talking about good people here.
If you think Minger is good in crunching numbers you should’ve seen the tricks of the cigarette industry of the 1970s
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Don Matesz on the video serie
http://donmatesz.blogspot.com/2011/12/primitive-nutrition-critique-of-paleo.html
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@Annie, eating fat and eating tons of junk food is completely different. If you want to make comparisons like that, you’d be just like the low-carbers and could blame the whole situation on the “carbs.”
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Again, Denise is young and has a lot to learn about life, but that doesn’t mean she can’t critically think in other ways. I’m not comparing here… but both Mozart and Beethoven were younger than Denise. I suppose because of their ages, neither one of them were capable of breaking down music composition?
And pseudoscience? Seems pretty obvious to me that Campbell was sweeping things under the rug. I won’t make the call that it was intentional (because frankly I don’t care), but it kind of seems that way. Denise pointed out holes in Campbell’s stuff. Where’s Campbell’s response refuting it?
If wheat was the same stuff now that we consumed even a few hundred years ago, I probably wouldn’t be a total wheat hater. On a personal level, I seem to have more problems from dairy, than wheat. At least in the short term. Other than it’s not terribly nutritious or tasty, I don’t have problems with someone including some whole wheat cereal in their diet. Celiacs being the exception
I just wouldn’t tout it as a health food (or even worth consuming). Almost anything else is better eaten in it’s place.
To blame disease on consumption of animal products in any amount and not look at something like processed wheat is just silly. Look at a junk food eating vegan for evidence.
I really expected more from you Richard. I don’t blindly follow anyone. Admittedly I did about 2.5 years ago, but that’s because initially it was helping me and I was enthused about it.
I’ll give you the “make most of animals” message coming from WAPF, but not anti-plant. Since a lot of Price’s work showed the importance of fat soluble vitamins, and plants aren’t the best source for those, it kind of makes sense. I agree, that the “butter and fat” thing can mix the message more easily for those wanting to hear what they want to hear, but I hear the importance of the Price’s message, and I eat mostly plants. It’s kind of like Christianity… Was Jesus’s message one of fear, raping, pillaging, and taking over the world in the name of God and savior, or is that something that’s been adopted by zealot followers?
P.S. I’m agnostic and don’t want to talk about religion. It was just an example
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LOL….please, Grok. It seems obvious that still haven’t look the videos. As said, look them, vids 62-65, that is, all about paleo-blogist style wheat analysis.
I’m from the European Union. Here in Europe the Italians have reputaion of being the most healthiest, trimmest and skinniest folk in Europe. Guess where’s the highest wheat consumption. Comparing Minger to Beethoven and Mozart just makes you look ridiculous. I love the American sayin, “once you are in a hole, stop diggin’”. I am sure deep down you know all this very well.
Wheat is also covered in the videos, 22-23. Or rather the paleo-crews pseudoscience around it is covered.
“Glutein free diet may reduce the beneficial bacteria in your digestive tracks”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJxEZp-brOE&feature=player_detailpage
I highly recommend you look the whole video serie in chronological order. Let’s see whether you are so keen having the “caveman”-stamp in yuour blog afetr that. Howabout “Chronicles of a descendant to modern neolithic farmer”?
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Considering the sheer aggressivenss of the aninal-fad diet pushers, it would be odd that Minger still hasen’t supplied her novel analysis to a scientific platform. Well, maybe she has. Let’s get back into her critisim once it appear in…let say…Lancet…LOL.
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^Not mean to spam your blog, but few additional notions.
It’s not a good idea to go after observer of the 1930s who never used the scientific method. I am referring to Price now. Why not after real scientist who worked in Africa, such as Burkitt.
You can also forget the processed wheat stuff. No one with credibility is advocating for the consumption of pizza bottoms or sugary bakery products.
Anyways, I am glad you are on the right tracks, just forget all the wheat-talk and notions of the (alleged) refutal of the China Project.
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@Richard, Did you even read my last comment?
If I had time to watch all the videos, that would mean I’d have time to finally move my blog off of the caveman platform which I’ve been wanting to do for more than a year. It even has a new domain, (Couch2Ultra.com) but it’s only a redirect currently. Being that I mostly eat from a template of paleo foods, it’s still sort of relevant.
Myself nor anyone I know has any interest in making whole wheat part of our diets. Why? Because frankly, it’s not tasty until processed. Rice is the only unprocessed or lightly processed grain I really have much liking for, and I like it a lot. Most of the time it’s just a far too efficient calorie vehicle to make a staple of my diet on a regular basis right now.
I might include brown rice with steamed veggies next month while I’m on the mainland, but will quit if it drains my motivation like it did last winter. I’m making far to much progress on my fruit and animal combo to suffer another major setback.
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Interesting stuff. I guess its no secret the mothers diet effects their childs health down the road. I’m curious how education still hasn’t done much to cure this problem.
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I agree with Grok on this, though unfortunately I did find the time to watch most of the series.
At the time I did think some of what he said was good, some funny but…I can’t remember what his points were anymore.
It was quite clear that he too has a set dogmatic view, being vegan/ fruitarian it seemed to be hinted at. Which for me ruins anything he has to say.
The main thing I got from it was, SHIT, did I just spend the best part of a day watching a voiceovered slideshow on youtube about paleo dogmatism by a vegan dogmatist.
Being healthy is not about doing that, I could have done anything, eat anything and would have had a better day than watching youtube opinions.
And that is the problem, too much time, too much choice.
The quicker we go back to having to “hunt”, “gather” our food, the quicker we will forget about what is right and wrong, what is good or bad. No farming is good farming. We are so far detached from the food supply, we get to bitch and moan and argue on the internet about it from our high thrones.
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^Lee,
you read all about the videoserie at Don Matesz blog. He has done already three threads on it, and probably continues. This video series is to Paleo what computers were to writing machines. Enjoy every bit.
Paleo just got debunked, from the waist down.
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Paleos for losers anyway, just like veganism. You should check out ray peat grok, his recommendations are pretty close to what you currently do and he is a wealth of info.
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@cliff, I have finally looked into Peat some this last week. I’ll pretty much have the 411 on him after this weekend. I don’t really need to be on board with much of what he’s doing, but he does have some interesting angles and ideas.
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