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My ratios look are somewhere 65-85% carbs, 10-15% protein usually. Fat makes up the rest. Coconut oil is about the only fat I consume. The rest comes from the eggs and fruits. I almost never eat nuts.

I steam about all my veggies except most of the carrots I eat. Too tough on digestion and I like the cooked ones better anyway. I don’t eat a lot of veggies because they’re too damn expensive here, so I take an iron free multi-mineral. The rest is raw eggs, raw fish, very rarely misc other raw/cooked things (usually seafood), and more recently tested out whey again to assess tolerance.

I like the “all the time energy” the lower-fat and higher-carbs gives me. Keep me ready for anything life throws my way. Just add animals for those few other nutrients

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I have found that — over the last several months — i am less interested in animal products (again), but what lead me to animal products was feeling pretty terrible (mostly had “brain fog” and lethargy) as a vegetarian/vegan. When I went back to meat, I felt better. I was about 40% fat (eggs, meat, avocados, coconut cream — no oils added, etc), 30% protein; 30% carbohydrate (veggies mostly, then fruit, and sweet potato once a week as a ‘refeed’).

I have started to adjust my diet toward more raw foods (as cooked foods are less and less appetizing), and intrequed by the Doug Graham way of doing things.

but, i’m looking at continuing eggs and fish — which would be about 1-2 eggs daily plus fish 2x week or so.

the thing that is tough for me is. . . there’s just so much “conflicting” science on it. I’ve been reading a lot of the science from all kinds of angles (still waiting on Graham’s book to come in the mail), and I just can’t figure it.

I think I’m just really having a hard time figuring out which way to get started. Just do this? Just try that? go over here and do this?

I suppose this ramble is about guidance. How does 80/10/10 work? does it work well? And from there, how does adding in meat help? hinder?

I know that 80/10/10 is the opposite of what I’ve been doing (which is zone-like, actually now that i look at it), and I think i’d just like to put my pyramid in the other way — maybe 40% fruit/veg carbohydrates; 30 protein; 30% fat (i love my avocados). But who knows if I can get that much fat?

I don’t know. What do your ratios normally look like?

Tak.

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As above, NOT for long-term.

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/news-archive/2010/self-inflicted-vitamin-d-toxicity/

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@Lindsay, I’ll be hosting my own show after the start of the new year. And yep… Hawaii welcomes me back with open arms in 3 weeks. 2012 is my re-birth year. I’m dialed in

Good grief I forgot how cheap food was here! Everything over there costs 3x as much except grapes and avocados.

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Happy Holidays in any case, lovely man.

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I think my strongest suggestion is talk to your physician or diabetic nurse and ask them for resources about specific meals and foods that are benificial to a person with diabetes diet.

Keep up the reading and hard work everyone, very interesting reading!

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you read all about the videoserie at Don Matesz blog. He has done already three threads on it, and probably continues. This video series is to Paleo what computers were to writing machines. Enjoy every bit.

Paleo just got debunked, from the waist down.

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At the time I did think some of what he said was good, some funny but…I can’t remember what his points were anymore.

It was quite clear that he too has a set dogmatic view, being vegan/ fruitarian it seemed to be hinted at. Which for me ruins anything he has to say.

The main thing I got from it was, SHIT, did I just spend the best part of a day watching a voiceovered slideshow on youtube about paleo dogmatism by a vegan dogmatist.

Being healthy is not about doing that, I could have done anything, eat anything and would have had a better day than watching youtube opinions.

And that is the problem, too much time, too much choice.

The quicker we go back to having to “hunt”, “gather” our food, the quicker we will forget about what is right and wrong, what is good or bad. No farming is good farming. We are so far detached from the food supply, we get to bitch and moan and argue on the internet about it from our high thrones.

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If I had time to watch all the videos, that would mean I’d have time to finally move my blog off of the caveman platform which I’ve been wanting to do for more than a year. It even has a new domain, (Couch2Ultra.com) but it’s only a redirect currently. Being that I mostly eat from a template of paleo foods, it’s still sort of relevant.

Myself nor anyone I know has any interest in making whole wheat part of our diets. Why? Because frankly, it’s not tasty until processed. Rice is the only unprocessed or lightly processed grain I really have much liking for, and I like it a lot. Most of the time it’s just a far too efficient calorie vehicle to make a staple of my diet on a regular basis right now.

I might include brown rice with steamed veggies next month while I’m on the mainland, but will quit if it drains my motivation like it did last winter. I’m making far to much progress on my fruit and animal combo to suffer another major setback.

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It’s not a good idea to go after observer of the 1930s who never used the scientific method. I am referring to Price now. Why not after real scientist who worked in Africa, such as Burkitt.

You can also forget the processed wheat stuff. No one with credibility is advocating for the consumption of pizza bottoms or sugary bakery products.

Anyways, I am glad you are on the right tracks, just forget all the wheat-talk and notions of the (alleged) refutal of the China Project.

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I’m from the European Union. Here in Europe the Italians have reputaion of being the most healthiest, trimmest and skinniest folk in Europe. Guess where’s the highest wheat consumption. Comparing Minger to Beethoven and Mozart just makes you look ridiculous. I love the American sayin, “once you are in a hole, stop diggin’”. I am sure deep down you know all this very well.

Wheat is also covered in the videos, 22-23. Or rather the paleo-crews pseudoscience around it is covered.

“Glutein free diet may reduce the beneficial bacteria in your digestive tracks”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJxEZp-brOE&feature=player_detailpage

I highly recommend you look the whole video serie in chronological order. Let’s see whether you are so keen having the “caveman”-stamp in yuour blog afetr that. Howabout “Chronicles of a descendant to modern neolithic farmer”?

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And pseudoscience? Seems pretty obvious to me that Campbell was sweeping things under the rug. I won’t make the call that it was intentional (because frankly I don’t care), but it kind of seems that way. Denise pointed out holes in Campbell’s stuff. Where’s Campbell’s response refuting it?

If wheat was the same stuff now that we consumed even a few hundred years ago, I probably wouldn’t be a total wheat hater. On a personal level, I seem to have more problems from dairy, than wheat. At least in the short term. Other than it’s not terribly nutritious or tasty, I don’t have problems with someone including some whole wheat cereal in their diet. Celiacs being the exception I just wouldn’t tout it as a health food (or even worth consuming). Almost anything else is better eaten in it’s place.

To blame disease on consumption of animal products in any amount and not look at something like processed wheat is just silly. Look at a junk food eating vegan for evidence.

I really expected more from you Richard. I don’t blindly follow anyone. Admittedly I did about 2.5 years ago, but that’s because initially it was helping me and I was enthused about it.

I’ll give you the “make most of animals” message coming from WAPF, but not anti-plant. Since a lot of Price’s work showed the importance of fat soluble vitamins, and plants aren’t the best source for those, it kind of makes sense. I agree, that the “butter and fat” thing can mix the message more easily for those wanting to hear what they want to hear, but I hear the importance of the Price’s message, and I eat mostly plants. It’s kind of like Christianity… Was Jesus’s message one of fear, raping, pillaging, and taking over the world in the name of God and savior, or is that something that’s been adopted by zealot followers?

P.S. I’m agnostic and don’t want to talk about religion. It was just an example

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http://donmatesz.blogspot.com/2011/12/primitive-nutrition-critique-of-paleo.html

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If you think Minger is good in crunching numbers you should’ve seen the tricks of the cigarette industry of the 1970s

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thanks for looking the videos for me

You have to be pretty darn naive to believe that Minger has a sincere interest in nutrition or willing put up an objective stance. The fact the she delivers her pseudoscience with eloquence is another chapter. As said, you can frequent with the bogus wheat analysis of the paleo-crew on the videos 62-65. Since you are not capable telling who is good at crunching data, I tell you, you’r better off from staying away from the bloggers that do that.

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On my “special thingy” for Minger… I don’t. She’s 24, not a English teacher, and not affiliated with WAPF. She has flaws, but does happen to be pretty good at crunching data. 24 is young, but has nothing to do with being good at something. I’ll spare you examples.

I’m considering writing a speech for WAPF. Does that make me affiliated with them? WAPF lobbies for small organic local farmers. Sounds like a bad thing to me! LMAO. I’m not really on board, but like veganism, their message is mostly good. I take from it what I need.

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I know you are a caveman, and don’t care about veganism. The video-channel is not about veganism. It’s about the bogus science of the paleo-crew “appeal to nature”. As said, these vids are of very high quality and thus recommended. I know you are not there anymore, but nevertheless those videos are great. I am also aware you have a special thingy for Minger, that’s ok. If you think a 23 year old english teacher, affiliated with Weston Price Foundation, can give you solid analysis, well….whatever rocks your boat.

I Particularly like the segment on cholesterol deniers, vids 40-42. Video number six is about the radical genetical adaptation which animals and humans have shown in the past history, that’s why for an evolutionary biologist the argument that we should eat like a bunch genetically drifted primitive tribes is hard to sell. Very fun stuff, you should thank me

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I do feel humans have a species specific diet. It’s that of an omnivorous one. That’s the only conclusion I draw. My personal preference, and that in which I promote, is one of mostly plants. Something closer to vegetarian than what’s thought to be standard paleo.

I care about animal welfare, but animals are part of the food chain. I’m not going to change my position on that. Veganism makes no sense to me, except for someone who has hyperactive emotions towards animal welfare. I don’t have those. Veganism might work for a good block of people long term, I just don’t have the emotions to care enough to take the risk to try.

I look, feel, and perform better with some animal products in the mix. Most of those products never had a face. I’m not a steak, bacon, and pork chop eater. Not that I don’t feel moderate amounts of those things can be part of a healthful diet, I just don’t find I need them, therefor I don’t go out of my way. If I want flesh, I’ll take fish in a second over any four legged creature. Been that way all my life, long before I ever put any effort into thinking about food.

I’d actually prefer to kill all the animal products I eat myself. I don’t like how detached people are from their foods (any kinds) these days. Unfortunately the way society is structured with jobs, taxes, etc.. that’s not an option for most anymore.

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I have to leave right now. Might expand on this later

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http://www.youtube.com/user/PrimitiveNutrition#p/u/6/RlD9W34sKbI

I salute you Grok from having the intellectual power to navigate away from teachings of the bloggers.

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Check out the few videos on Minger. LOL

http://www.youtube.com/user/PrimitiveNutrition#p/u/8/mlgrDFPu3gU

China study is covered on the vids 62-65, inuit health 27-28, this stuff is Gold everything from Cordain, Phinney, Masai health, etc.

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The traditional Japanese cuisine is about 80% carbs, we ain’t seeing sick babies there. The same can be said about much of Asia. In fact we have famous pediatricians sain’ that kids should not be fed with meat and dairy at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Spock

Here’s the studies we should be paying attention

“We found that exposure to a high-fat diet before birth modifies gene expression in the livers of offspring so they are more likely to overproduce glucose, which can cause early insulin resistance and diabetes,” said Yuan-Xiang Pan, a U of I professor of nutrition”.

High-Fat Diet During Pregnancy Programs Child for Future Diabetes, Study Suggests

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110525164110.htm

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I’d have to read the study instead of the sound byte to find the holes in it, but frankly I don’t care. My future baby momma can eat all the whole food (fruits/veg/minimal grains) carbs she wants if they make her feel good. Momma not stressing out “trying” to stick to some diet out of the norm can’t be good for a fetus either.

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“I agree with you that it seems odd that you’d eat more carbs to make your babies healthier with all the negative effects on health they have been shown to have”.

LOL….this is insane. lets go to Central-Africa rural China where people have been consuming near-vegan diets forever, carbs come around 80% of the calories, what we are seeing is the most healthy, trim and strongest people on the globe. So now we have (allegedly) studies showing that feeding babies potatoes & whole-grains causes problems. Ahem…….

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A little bit of ill affects. Had to take a probiotic for a week or two to help digestion if I remember correctly. Problem was the fruit wasn’t ripe enough. Can’t recall any other problems (other than watermelon covered in my other posts).

I was a cooked high fat cooked vegan for a few months before the fruit thing. I’m open to the idea that it could have helped with the transition.

I more or less just took the plunge though.

It is trickier in the colder climates because finding ripe fruit is harder. You have to learn to time the ripening so you don’t run out of food and have ripe stuff all the time. Dates can help fill in those gaps. Hit up the grocery and produce places and ask them for overripe. Some places want to sell this stuff at lower prices since they are going to toss it anyway. It takes time to learn ripe fruit. Before long your nose will tell you what’s good. I tell people, “I want the stuff with flies on it” The flies know when it’s ripe

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Did you notice any negative symptoms with your transition to high carb from high fat? Did you just take the plunge- slash the fat and start crushin carbs? Before you moved to Hawaii, did you have any problems doing the high fruit in wintertime?

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Try soaking it for 2+ days. I bought a sack of white/brown blend the last time. Ate a whole pot (roughly 9 cups) of it the other night. Didn’t cause me to double over. I’m not sure if it was the increased soak time (usually only 24hr) or the fact it was a blend. Still, roughly 4.5c of it were brown. Last time I did 6c straight brown it didn’t serve me well.

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@Lee, I don’t think I can disagree with one word you wrote.

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I hate the safe starches concept.
Sure adding butter to white potatoes helps with their concept, but that doubles the coma inducing effect of potatoes as is.
Nothing makes me feel like a couch potato more than white potatoes and butter.

Tiny amount of safe starches ok, but fruit hyper restricted? How is stripped white rice better than a banana?

Fruit is the best carb source.

“We recommend that sedentary people eat about 400 to 600 carb calories per day.”

I love reading that… eat that low in carbs and a person will more than likely stay sedentary unless motivation can push them beyond their will.

I have seen a bit of the Rawbrahs, personally I have no idea what kind of thing they do, I can not stomach their style to find out.

I agree Grok. White rice works better than potatoes, seems to digest ok and give nearly fruit type energy. Brown rice destroys my gut.

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Wondering what you thought of Paul Jaminent’s latest post on the toxicity of hyperglycemia and how fat reduces it?

Here is the link : http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=4937

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I don’t think we should ban anything really, just educate Libertarian

@Razwell/Bucklefart/Chris or whatever other personality possesses your needs to be medicated soul. If you have all the answers and are so fucking smart, why don’t you spend your time gracing us all with this infinite wisdom in a book instead of trolling the internet with drivel 23hrs a day. If it’s all knowing, I’d buy it.

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Yep, veggie oils are equally crap as animal-source oils. Non-whole foods should be banned

Have you seen this?

Caldwell Esselstyn “No oil”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_o4YBQPKtQ

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I havent looked into it, but I’m sure white flour and veggie oils where introduced about the same time.

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That’s ok. I’ve heard some people (usually folk with symptoms of rheumatoid arthirisis)may be senstive to nightingale veggies (potatoes, tomatoes, eggplants). I personally love potatoes with mushrooms, especially with chantarelle’s.

I get you what you are saying with white-rice, it’s like a dope. Fiberless carbs, they go right in your system. But, not so healthy, they caused a big havoc in Asia, when polishing of rice was introduced in the 1950′s. Loads of previously unheard heart-issues thanks to B-6 deficit.

http://nutritionfacts.org/videos/the-tomato-effect/

I’ve been almost solely on starches, mostly due financial issues, and I am craving for fruits. Dates should always kept on a close vicinity.

“Are dates good for you”
http://nutritionfacts.org/videos/are-dates-good-for-you/

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#1 Fats (plant or animal)
#2 Animal products
#3 Potatoes a close third

Of course the bog down list doesn’t mean they are bad foods, just that they bog me down, so I minimize them.

Depending on the animal product, potatoes may even bog me down as much or more and sometimes give me heartburn etc… I’m a sucker for raw fish. Other than slowing digestion way down (and binding) and making me stink a bit if I eat a pound or more, I haven’t found any problems with it really.

I’ve pretty much embraced rice at this point. It came off the naughty list about 10 months ago, but more of a staple the last 3 months. White rice is my favorite. Brown is fine, but if I eat as much as I wan’t the extra fiber can cause stomach ache. I always soak my rice for 12-48 hours, and I almost always cook my starches in sea water anymore. Special thanks to the Kitava and a paper via my bud Chris Masterjohn for that tip.

I stick to starches (and veggies, and any fat) at night as much as I can due to the bog factor. White rice digests almost as well as fruit, and sometimes better if I’m stuck eating the unripe stuff. I can easily eat 2-3,000 calories of plain white rice in a sitting without blinking an eye. I more or less took last month off from exercise, ate maybe 50% of my daily calories (roughly 4k) in rice, and if anything got leaner.

Basically I eat as many ripe bananas as I have then fill in the gaps with rice. Add whatever else after that to round out the nutrition. Seems to be working well and is easier to implement than raw when life is tugging me in different directions. Pretty easy to keep a 20lb sack of rice in the cupboard. Also stretches the food budget.

That said, the closer I stick to raw foods, the better I feel. To a point anyway. Haven’t quite pinpointed that point yet. My raw vegan stints seem to last about two weeks at a time. Perhaps because I’m able to workout so hard during that time, I deficit and succumb to the caloric density of cooked food or stuff like the raw fish. This is along the lines of what DurianRider would say, and I tend to agree with it. If I kept dates around more often this wouldn’t happen. I wont be convinced that veganism is nutritionally superior, so these are nutrient replenishing moments I embrace Kind of like junk food days for the chronic dieter.

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The rawbrahs report eating 3000kals per day and competing in olympic swimming level trials. Phelps eats 13 000 kals per day. These idiots bro’s get low testosterone and blame it for their raw vegan diet….lol.

The reason I don’t do raw veganism is because with that kind of a diet my calory expenditure skyrockets, I don’t feel for eating 4000-5000kals per day (I am 6,05 foot, 67kgs). But I am not idiot to the extent of trying it (rawveganism) and then blaiming it afterwards for low testosterone after training like a mad-man.

3000kals from bananas does not equal 3000kals from potatoes/starches. I don’t why it this way, but it just is. Perhaps the body transforsm the cold foods to some kind of warm liquid which consumes energy, unless your food is warm already in the beginning.

I rather take it easy and pile +2600-3000kals from starches a day and feel perfectly fine rather than goin’ for 4500 kals from fruits which would be needed to feel equally fine.

Rawbrahs are just another Daniel Vitalis or David Wolfe, yo-yo’in to anything that is hip at the moment.

So, my advice is, promote fruits but make sure that fruit as base for calories is pretty much beyond the comprehension for many, I think people who are interested in this kind of lifestyle should be advised first to do the low-fat, starch-based McDougall thingy for a starter.

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If I want to be my best, I stick to eating mostly fruit. Not that the other foods are bad, it just boils down to them being supplementation. I know how I’ll respond to meat, fats, starches (bog down), so generally try not to eat them anytime when I know I’ll be doing exercise or heavy thinking (ie.. working, researching, studying).

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I am working my way into it by reducing added fat down to just a little butter if I fry eggs. Meat only if I actually want it and piling in the fruit.

Feels great, so abundant, feeling great.

Is it only you out there doing this sort of thing?

I follow DRider for the laughs and the fruit based info. Even the vegan stuff is great, balances out the MEATMEATMEATMEAT thing in the paleo blogs.

Anyone else?

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Consider this your one and only comment. I love alternative points of view, but unlike Denise on her blog, I’m not going to put up with your mindless drivel.

Congratulations, you “numba one!” You’re my first ban ever

@Heather, I need to write it first Which requires me re-reading it for accuracy. As you now know, it’s quite lengthy.

I record with Jimmy in about a week.

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I would like to read this!

I see you interviewed with him, as well. This oughta be good! My own interview with him is being released on Oct. 24. Nervous.

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Don’t have time to watch the video until later maybe (headed out for the day), but yes I did. A lot. A great deal of the reason I’m passionate about getting this info out. I don’t feel I was unhealthy eating an animal-based diet, but switching made my life a whole lot more enjoyable in many ways.

What’s the point of health if you can’t enjoy it? I refuse to just “exist” anymore if can can at all help it.

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Watch this video, 3,5min! Highly recommended
Improving mood through diet.
http://nutritionfacts.org/videos/improving-mood-through-diet/

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True, there’s tons of papers on this done by Anderson and scientist at the Pritikin center. Non-obese diabetics are off from the meds within few weeks on high-carb vegan diets.

When the intake of carbs (refined in this study) was increased from 45% (of total calories) to 85%, the condition of diabetic enhanced in every way. In practise to get carbs digits to 85% one had to eat vegan diet with no vegetable oils.

“An extremely high carbohydrate-fat ratio improves insulin sensitivity whereas more moderate changes (40-60% carbohydrate) produce less convincing results”

Smith U. Carbohydrates, fat, and insulin action. Am J Clin Nutr. 1994 Mar;59(3 Suppl):686S-689S.”

(Although pay attention that Smith does not recommend refined carbs and notices that diabetic would get even better results with high-carbo GI diets)

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I would hate this life.

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@Richard, Just try it. I’d put money on it that it works for you. If dogma keeps you from trying it, well then that’s your problem and really can’t objectively post on the subject.

I wont have time to read those last few for a few days, but the abstracts are a bit lame. Any study that says “meat eater” throws up a “eats anything” red flag for me. Once again a few variables can skew those results easily.

A few notes… Vegan men are likely to be less fat, exercise more because they at least are somewhat health conscious. Those are major factors in boner power. However, that’s only good to a point. Vegan men (especially low fat) are also known to have lower sex drive. Heavy endurance exercise which is praised in the vegan world is known for lowering T levels too. This is no secret

In 4 Hour Body Tim talks about using selenium to boost test levels and I believe sperm count. Maybe this is another nutrient vegans should keep an eye on.

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and what was the source of the test meat/egg subjects? The best highest quality least harm battery free pastured eggs? Or CAFO — unless you know the constituents of the quality of their study, it’s useless information. It’s shadowy and only proves that yeah — junk food and toxic sludge and low-nutrients are bad for you. Whoddathunk it?

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The low-fat vegans usually report increased activity down there. I am not an expert the hormone area, but atleast the popular wisdom tells that testosterone levels should be correlated with this area. It has been observed that Vegan men have 7-13% higher total testosterone levels as opposed to omnivores.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2400756

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10883675

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Yes you were metabolically deranged. The difference is… you not longer use that as an excuse to avoid carbs like all these other yo-yos.

Strict veganism… If it wets your whistle, have at it. I think it probably can be done long term, but I really don’t see the point. LFRV is pretty easy to mess up (long term). A lot of people will do more of a fruitarian thing, and thats where you can really accelerate problems IMO. Something closer to Doug Grahams approach would be more successful.

I’m fruit-based high-raw with a side of animal nutrients. Toss in some junk food when appropriate in social situations, knowing full well the consequences. That good enough for me. I like to live a little.

I’m still constantly testing. It’ll all probably be in the book whenever I manage to get the damn thing written.

@Richard, I guess I’m getting prostate cancer then. Toss a 1 raw egg into a LFRV diet at night, and watch your young self’s morning wood come back the next morning. This alone tells me that good things are happening with hormones when including a small about of eggs.

I’m not overly excited about red meat or poultry anymore. I never go out of my way to buy it. I bought a couple pounds of liver once in the last who knows how long, and ended up throwing it away.

@Daniel, if it works, your happy, and not stressing about food, look no further unless you’re goals change or something. That said, try slashing the fat for a while. It’s not a demon macro nutrient, but you don’t need to add it all the time. I really don’t miss it. About the only time I eat fat is avocado with rice/sushi, or whatever’s in the wild fish. There hasn’t been butter or any other processed fat in my fridge for a long time. Well, I guess I use a little coconut oil to keep things from sticking on a pan. When I say little, I mean little.

Starch pretty much is harmless, just as fructose in fruit is harmless. All that science is total bullshit except when talking about HFCS. Even then, Chris Masterjohn fed rats a 60% fructose diet for 9 weeks and they didn’t develop any fatty livers. I think they even lost weight. That said, I’m sure other inflammation was present. I think the combo of processed wheat and HFCS is very lethal. If I eat processed sugars I have lots of inflammation (knees & sinuses). When I was LFRV (and pretty close to it much of the time now) I have the lowest inflammation of any diet I’ve ever tried by a long shot! I couldn’t train 20+ hours a week if I didn’t.

Chew on this… Inclusion of dairy (raw or otherwise) takes me out of training in a finger snap. I can’t get on board with health benefits of regularly consuming dairy anymore as a result. With my consumption and exercise abuse, my body tells me pretty quick which foods are better than others.

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Anywho, I was also curious about your placement of fruits above starches- it seems there is surmounting evidence indicating that starch is in harmless, and there is still quite a bit of controversy with fructose. I’d like to hear your explanation.

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anyways, here’s the hottest science of the week. Make sure to check it out, buddy.

“Egg, red meat, and poultry intake and risk of lethal prostate cancer in the prostate specific antigen-era: incidence and survival”

“Men who consumed 2.5 or more eggs per week had an 81% increased risk of lethal prostate cancer compared to men who consumed less than 0.5 eggs per week”

http://cancerpreventionresearch.aacrjournals.org/content/early/2011/09/15/1940-6207.CAPR-11-0354.abstract

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Low-carb makes more than just “someone” sedentary It make A LOT of people sedentary. 150 is a relevant number. Your little frame probably tolerates only getting 150 carbs. Good for you. If you fed me 150 carbs and 2,000 calories for more than a few days, I’ll be trying to chew your arm off.

Too keep the weight coming off as a low-carber, I had to drop cals down at one point to 700-1,200 or something like that. it was dumb. I’ve never had to go below about 2,500 when eating mostly carbs and it still comes off WAY faster and isn’t a dreadful existence.

Having an office job especially standing all day in no way means you need to eat low-carb. Personally, I think it means the opposite. I’ve done both those types of jobs my whole life.

I pretty much say in every video I make that “I know everyone doesn’t want to be an Ironman athlete.” I don’t want to either. I’m a lazy fuck. I do it because I don’t mind it, it gives me something to strive for, and it gets me off my lazy ass. If I had my way, I’d sit around and eat pizza while watching Discovery Network 24 hours a day and only take power naps.

@Go Kaleo says, “moving is pure joy with proper fuel.” Exactly. I can ride for 3 hours on practically no carbs at 60-70% HR and not bonk. The bullshitter low-carb experts would like you to believe this only happens with “fat adaptation”. What a crock of horse shit. If you want workouts to feel like, well… work, then eat less carbs. If you want to haul ass and smile while looking at the scenery eat however many you can.

I can get by on 350, but it doesn’t get me motivated. I’m simply existing and probably hungry. 750 and I have motivation. 1,000+ and I’m loving life. Workout or not.

I’ve done almost nothing for three weeks exercise wise. All I do is sit (or stand this last week). I’m still eating 4,000 cals a day mostly from carbs. Haven’t gained weight.

There’s a chance I’ll write a post about Jimmy Moore’s latest post. Low-carbers miss a good part of the puzzle. It so blatantly obvious it boggles my mind.

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I eat about 3000 calories a day.

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How many calories do you eat per day?

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Of course, we are all different, but if I were someone who extrapolated from my personal experience to apply to everyone else, I can see myself suspecting that people who say they don’t enjoy working out are actually improperly fueled, because in my experience, moving is pure joy with proper fuel. The body’s natural state of existence, if you will. I would never think something like that, though.

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You continue to say that low carbers feel like sloths. What is low carb to you then? If 4+ days out of the week I eat less than 150 grams of carbs a day and eat 2000-2500 calories but am energized, never tired, walk a lot and workout daily then I am a low carb sloth?

What is a sloth to you?

You say that low carb is what makes people sedentary. This is completely false. It can be true with someone but its not the general rule.

What about people that have an office job or any other job that requires them to sit or stand all day and then are in constant action while at home? Are they sloths?

I would love for you to define these terms. In general, what do they mean?

Not everyone wants to do a triathalon. I don’t. It’s not because I eat 100-150 or so grams of carbs a day. I just don’t have a passion like you do. I’d rathe go on a hike, golf, snorkel, lay out on the beach, relax, etc.

Eating lower carb is not the reason why I have a passion for these things. I just want you to clear up what you mean!

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What are your thoughts on strict veganism? I know you’re mostly plant based, but eat animal products once in a while. What do you think about long-term LFRV? Can it be done? If so, do you think most people could follow it?

@ Go Kaleo, “Eat real fucking food people.” EXACTLY!

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Although low-carb is better than junk food for sedentary, I’m not on board with sedentary people needing to eat low-carb. Actually, I’d mostly advise against it. IMO it keeps them sedentary. People shouldn’t be sedentary. They should turn off the damn TV for a while (Especially if they watch the news).

Low-carb is a tool, but I’d leave it in the box for special occasions anymore. It’s way overused. Everyone thinks they’re “metabolically deranged” these days. It’s like the go to catch phrase for low-carbers. Cracks me up. Atkins should start an ad blast… “Got Derangement?”

@Go Kaleo, yeah, I know

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“Eat real fucking food people.”

That’s all you really needed to write.

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I haven’t had a chance to read much of your blog yet but I have watched a few videos that you had posted. I completely agree with you that carbs aren’t necessarily bad and that it has more to do with the quality of the food than anything. From my understanding though, Paleo is not necessarily low carb but has more to do with food quality and it seems people within the community are starting to get this. When I first switched to Paleo over a year ago I was mostly low carb (under 50 grams a day) but I was also pretty sedentary, so this worked GREAT for me. I lost like 50 pounds pretty quickly with little exercise and no longer crashed and burned after eating and I had lower blood pressure. Once I started doing CrossFit style workouts I knew pretty quickly I’d have to up my carb intake or else I wouldn’t keep up. Now, on workout days I typically consume anywhere from 100 – 150 grams of carbs (usually from yams or fruit) a day, or close to 300 if I go on a long day hike or when mountain climbing. While I don’t think I’d thrive on a mostly plant based diet (tried vegetarianism for 4 years) I think it’s great that you’ve found a diet that works for you and think it’s great that you’re exposing some of the low carb myths. I think low carb can be beneficial for some folks, especially those who are more sedentary, and those who are metabolically deranged, but it doesn’t work for everyone and sure as hell isn’t sustainable in the long run. Thanks again for your insight.

Later!

Alan

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I eat a hell of a lot more carbs as part of my regular diet than I do if I eat pizzas. Are you saying my regular diet is junk food?

Junk food is carbs and fat but seems to be mostly carbs.

Don’t be so sure about that.

Back to your chart – where do veggies fit? Leafy greens? Asparagus?

Do you think of bell peppers, tomatoes and cucumbers as fruit?

Eat all of this stuff that you want. They aren’t significant carb or calorie foods, that’s why they’re not on the chart.

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I doubt I’ll read Wheat Belly. I already know wheat is shit. I rarely spend time reading stuff that reinforces what I already know. That said, I’m sure it’s a good read.

Fruit is a fantastic way to kick the junk. IMO the best way.

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I was emailing a lady back and forth just a few times a while ago. She just emailed me today and told me she had lost 18 lbs in just 5.5 weeks.

I suggested that she replace junk food with fruit. She needed to kick her junk food habit. The best way to kick a habit is to replace it with something else.

She said she eats fruit for breakfast.

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With that being said, a diabetic should eat less carbs then he or she already is. But, with this now being said, if one avoids all processed junk then he or she will automatically decrease his or her carb intake.

Grok,

Have you read wheat belly? If not, are you going to? I listened to the podcast with William Davis and Robb Wolf today. Pretty damn good. Seems like wheat is easily the main culprit. Robb said himself that if he was to give one piece of advise to anyone it would be to avoid wheat.

Seems very reasonable.

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I do have a post in cue that bashes on paleo a little bit, but for good reason I write these late at night usually, so I wait a few days now and then proofread and publish. I’ll probably put it up on Monday.

I have a guest post coming out soon (soon as I finish it) and will link to it here, then I’ll be on Jimmy Moore’s podcast the beginning of Dec.

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“Why can’t you vegan pussies stick to the facts instead of resorting to getting personal? It does NOTHING for your cause. I’ll tell you why, because you’ve got nothing but religion. It’s such a turnoff. I’ll murder an animal right in front of you in spite. How’s that for a turnoff?”

100% completely agree with you. I think vegans get a lot of shit right, but for the wrong reasons. I wish they saw that and amended the message. I love that the “paleo” world mostly seems to be getting the message.

But the fact that you aren’t blinded by some vegan religious dogma/paleo cultish dogma/low card fanaticism is why I find you extremely interesting and wish you wrote more often.

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I’m not completely on board with what you laid out as an overall approach, but as a one size can fit a lot… I don’t have problems with it and have no troubles believing it’s affective.

Guess I’m not on board with the Poliquin Principles carb rule either, except for smart timing, which can be very helpful. Mainly for recovering athletes.

If I was to do it all over again, I would not do an animal dominant or lower-carb approach. I really feel it set me back. I’m a little more pissed about it than I let on. That said, I guess I’m happy for the experience and that my health did improve leading me to better things allowing me to enjoy a new amazing life, surrounded by amazing people, a mind blowingly amazing girlfriend, in an amazing place, with amazing new business opportunities.

Can’t I get a “HURA!” for real food?

Thanks for stopping by

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Once an animal/fish dominant Paleo style diet has been utilized to regain control of your health and you are at a point where hormonal health is again functioning efficiently and effectively (ie: you are lean and have no / very few remaining health issues. (i believe Paleo is the fastest way to re-establish a healthier metabolism with those who have abused their bodies with processed/dead/nutritionally devoid diet)

As this happens, and insulin signaling returns to normal, you are then in prime position to move towards a higher carb lower fat type of diet. As you correctly pointed out (IMHO) a High Carb/High Fat diet doesnt work and will make you fatter however by reducing the fat consumption your body is able to function pretty well on a high carb (from paleo sources) type of diet with of course a dose of healthy fats and proteins. NB: success will probably depend a little on genetics & environmental demands as well.

Again i believe that this is most likely due to the body’s ability (or not) to be able to send the fuel to the muscles / fat / liver….ie: in a lean healthier person the fuel will be sent via insulin mainly to the muscle cells and in someone who is ‘fat’ most of the fuel goes to the fat cells. If you have been unhealthy or ‘fat’ then your body needs a certain amount of time to regenerate this ability through proper exercise, diet and lifestyle changes, my thought is around 6-12 months once you are lean – as this happens the body’s demand for carbohydrates will increase – especially pre/post exercise.

I generally follow Charles Poliquins Principles (strength and conditioning) and he suggests that if you are 10%+ body fat you follow the zero or very limited carb rule. If you are under 10% then carbs are your friend and tolerance is higher therefore tuck in using good timing as suggested by Nell in her blog.

Obviously everyone is different and as such has a different set of demands / goals /environment and genetics so for me its about finding the right fuel mix to match those demands.

As you also pointed out this will probably just happen if you make the right observations with what is happening with your body and what you are putting into it. I guess there is no ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ way you just have to find your own ‘optimal’ way and be open to the fact that your body’s energy, macro and micro nutrient demands could change on a daily, seasonal or yearly basis, or not at all.

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Eating and drinking our way to health means finding a diet that satisfies our needs. This is a really good approach, and you got it right.

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You know exactly shit about Denise. Why can’t you vegan pussies stick to the facts instead of resorting to getting personal? It does NOTHING for your cause. I’ll tell you why, because you’ve got nothing but religion. It’s such a turnoff. I’ll murder an animal right in front of you in spite. How’s that for a turnoff?

“but that’s not your concern as long as people are filled by animals” And that bullshit was the conversation ender. Take that vegan drivel elsewhere. Come back when you start having health problems. Unlike vegans, we forgive.

I’d rather eat out my own asshole while shitting than listen to one word the UN says. Fucking goons. Lord knows they don’t have any agendas. Sheep listen to the UN. Hey, just thought of something… sheep are vegans U.N… LMFAO! About as stupid as the “Dietary Guidelines for Americans, which are the gold standard of nutrition guidance” I read today from the wheat goons.

Time for bed. This diet war shit puts me to sleep. Waste of perfectly good energy and glucose. So much anger today. Must be that one ounce of fish in my cheviche from eating out today. Oh wait? I’m so confused! Maybe it’s what the paleo zealots call “fruit rage” from the 20 bananas.

Is it any wonder the world is going to hell?

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P.P.S I don’t buy overpriced wild organic animal products. I kill them with my own hands or settle for what’s at the store. Since I’m not a fan of what’s in the store, I spend a lot of the time being a vegan eater. I have loosened up a bit since being in Hawaii since some of the seafood is wild caught fresh. At that point in becomes a money issue. $10 buys me 1lb of raw tuna, or 20lbs+ organic overripe bananas.

A lot of the beef here is grass-fed, but I pretty much could care less about beef.

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How you rubbed me the wrong way on Denise’s blog, is the same way that most vegan attackers do on her site… you say she’s pushing animals products. She’s not. Also the making of assumptions about her. Denise provides breakdowns of the holes in the vegan propaganda gospel (AKA China Study) for only one reason… BAD SCIENCE. The China Study [is] debunked, but thank you Dr. Campbell for the data. It’s still useful, as Denise found it really points a lot of problematic fingers towards wheat. Wheat IMO, is a much more likely candidate as a disease promoter in humans than animal products, which have been in our diets and primate relatives at some level for millions of years.

You can see by about my last 15 posts on this site that I have no problems believing a plant-based diet is potentially the healthiest of diets. I eat one. A low-fat one at that. I’ve never felt better. Plant based does not mean animal-free, unless of course you’re a vegan zealot.

“Base n. : the bottom of something considered as its support.”

Although I don’t feel saturated fat and cholesterol are solely responsible for heart disease, I also don’t have a problem believing a diets low in both may be among the healthiest options. I think there’s a decent enough track record for that.

“Eat plants” I agree. Promote plant heavy diets I agree. Fear-mongering all animal products at any level for an agenda is where things get wacko. Not much different than low-carbers fear-mongering carbs as the root of all disease. These positions are almost hysterical.

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here’s a good video for all the cavemen. Good topic for a thread starter.

Nathaniel Dominy, biologist and physical anthropologist from Dartmouth telling all about optimal diet for humans from the evolutionary perspective. I tell you, this ain’t no half-fat personal trainer (ala Loren Cordain) talking about how animal protein keeps you lean. This guy, Dominy has conducted extensive research on hunter gatherers in Uganda and parts of Asia, the paper should come soon.

http://www.youtube.com/user/drmcdougallmd#p/u/5/h0PF5R0ywp4

Now, what was the fuss with second half of my post?

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http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/09/22/forks-over-knives-is-the-science-legit-a-review-and-critique/

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That’s good I’m trying to ease up on killing people. Need to save my rage for the apocalypse next year. As soon as the gov and bankers drive us into poverty and eating rats, I’ll become an angry low-carber again

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I’m cool with you dude – no worries.

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P.S. If you ever tried to kick me in the balls, I’d break you in half

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But you’re right Brian. All my “bullshit” hasn’t come from a scientific study funded by a super-corp which was then regurgitated by a guru. However my sub-par results on “paleo” did. Now go away and get back to fingering your favorite guru’s asshole.

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I don’t do caffeine at all. Slightly tragic, since I live in Kona and they have the best coffee in the world here. I have eaten a few coffee cherries and spit out the bean

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If you don’t know this book, secure a copy. You’ll get a kick out of it.

pomophile, fruit hunter, Hawaiian ultraexotic, laughing at ex-lax: something in this book will spark ideas for a new online identity.

(I’ve decided to still drink a bit of coffee in the early morning, by the way: after all, it’s a fruit!)

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I’ve started incorporating more fruits into my primal diet. I’ve NEVER enjoyed strawberries, black berries, blue berries or raspberries before going primal. Now I make a whipped cream from scratch (1/2 cup heavy cream + 1 tsp sugar + couple drops of vanilla extract) , drop in the fruit and have to fight my wife off with a spoon from sharing. I know the sugar isn’t primal but it does get brownie points when I share the fruit.

Apples always gave me a sugar rush and itchy mouth. Now I add a boatload of almond butter and no issues.

Keep up the great work.

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All that said, I mostly do starch for variety. Compared to fruit, it really slows me and my exercise recovery down a lot.

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I went paleo mainly because of skin issues (acne) and it definitely got better.

Now with all the fruits in the summer and my very small protein intake my skin looks even better. Redness went away and puffiness is gone!

I hope it stays that way.

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Fruit vegans are kind of known for having good skin, which I believe these days. Fruit and juice “fasts” claim to fame is “detoxing” shit out of the body, so it doesn’t much surprise me that someone eating all fruit would.

Sorry, no good ideas really without a food log. You still doing dairy and things like that?

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Minute 20:25 of my podcast with Hank I talked about Veganism.

Keep up the good fight. I saw a pod of dolphins when I was out swimming about a month ago. They were really cool and I was headed out to swim with them, but glad I didn’t. I talked to a local scuba diver and he said that’s exactly the spot two 14′ & 15′ Tiger sharks live. He’s actually seen them swimming with the dolphins.

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You clearly have great success on yourself and with clients. Can’t argue with that. I just have a different approach which I haven’t outlined yet and probably wont be able to until I put out a book. Think “Teach a man to fish.” I feel it’ll offers less complexity and a little more flexibility. Once applied, many people may very well land right where you’d put them without even thinking about it. However, I also want to try and reach others (like myself) who won’t fit into a mold without a great deal of effort.

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“LMAO” ~Me

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Here’s a recent post I did on that very subject!

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That coconut butter is crack in a bottle. I had to quit buying it back in the day. Usually ate half a jar in the car before I even got home.

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Berries and fruit also have wonderful body fat burning, blood lipid tidying, properties, irrespective of calorie density/quantity- courtesy of their flavonoids.

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No more breakage. The variable speed knob kicks butt.

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Agree 100%.

This actually made me laugh out loud. Funniest thing I’ve read all day…

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Hank, you can find lots of great fruit smoothie recipes on my website. In all the years I’ve been drinking smoothies for breakfast, I’ve never tired of them, because there are sooooooooo many different fruits to experiment with. Now I can’t imagine starting my day without one.

My recipes don’t have added milks, ice creams, sugars, powders, sorbets or anything like that. Just real fruit:

I am in eternal envy of Grok, who is able to enjoy all kinds of amazing exotic tropical fruits over there in Hawaii…

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@Shane, I feel your pain brother Shane. Yep it works. The other problem is those diets are often just that… diets. Hypocaloric comes along with it. Slowed metabolism then makes it easy to add it back and then some. Low fat palatability is where fruit is the unsung hero! When’s the last time you had to butter and salt a piece of fruit or melon to make it taste good?

@Toad, not a lot of sympathy from me. You weigh about half as much as many of my readers, so probably not much from them either. Here’s a tip if you want to gain weight as an ectomorph… OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND EAT MORE! You’re making it way too complicated. Quit experimenting with fat loss protocols.

@Heather, just the idea of an animal-based diet is nauseating to me now. If for nothing else, from a digestion standpoint. I almost feel like I was duped into doing it. More power to the people who feel that animal-based is optimal for them; it may be for some/many. In my heart though, I feel that group of “optimal” people is very much the minority. Most probably just don’t know better. Kind of what I was subtly hinting in the last part of this post.

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Grok, just found this quote on the effects of high fat diets from Don Matesz on his blog. Found it really interesting:

“One of the challenges I had with meat-based, low-carb paleo revolved around how to get 2500 calories daily without eating above 25% carbohydrate. The nub for me involved the nausea and appetite loss that I would get whenever eating a large amount of fat.

Sometimes I would get such bloating and discomfort from high fat meals that I would be unable to eat much but fruit and juice for a couple of days, completely negating the temporary increased caloric intake I got from the extra fat.

This is an accepted effect of high fat meals (even Peter at Hyperlipid mentions it fairly often), not unique to me, which some might consider a benefit for people trying to limit energy intake, but it is certainly undesirable when it prevents adequate energy intake.

At one point I decided to try drinking milk to fill in the calorie gap, adopting a ‘pastoral’ diet, despite my previous experience that milk increased my sinus congestion and allergy difficulties, hoping that in the context of a grain-free diet, milk would have a different effect on me. Alas, it did not.”

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I’ve been eating a bit more fruit too and have eaten it alone for the most part. I enjoyed 3 bananas yesterday.

I have actually lost 3 lbs in the past 2 weeks…. however, I do NOT want to lose weight. I went from 147 to 144. Unless the scale at the Y is off which is possible…

I am going to try and get up to 150. I just want to see if I do it. It would be nice if it was 6 lbs of muscle but 3 fat and 3 muscle is fine with me too. I’ll be experimenting with different combos of food. I may go VLC for a few days and then HC for a few days.

I just want to get to 150. My digestion continues to get back to normal.

The most important health factor I need to work on right now is sleep. I’ve been sleeping at my bros place and sleep well but get less than 7 a night which is not enough for me.

Life is a continuous experiment.

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That said, the diet & exercise plan did work and I was able to put on muscle and lose fat. But I hated it with a passion and after that 6 month diet, I quit and got fat.

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I have started eating a good portion of fruit in the morning and at lunch, typically frozen banana, frozen pineapple, strawberries, mango and peach in the blender. I now typically have my protein and fat heavy meal in the early evening.

My workout recovery has been phenomenal. Instead of gaining weight, which I was sure would happen, I have leaned out more. My weight is still about the same, but dropped an inch from my waist and my pushups and pullups have not suffered.

I guess we have to not be scared to try new things and actually give them time to see if it is working.

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@Shanta, not necessarily bad for all people, but I have to generalize a little bit. On the whole… “No” on the fat/carb combo. Starches are a very effective calorie vehicle. Just like Shane’s fruit and cream combos (can you say melted ice cream?), the carbs/fat combos are easy to put in lots of calories. Good for high volume athletes, bad for overweight people. People with weight gain problems should stay away from those combos or at least keep an eye on them.

Keep this in mind… Junk food is a combo of carbs, fat, and salt. Yams, GF butter, and sea salt might be a much better combo than a heat lamp food from a Minute-Mart, but it’s going to have the same effect on weight gain.

Here’s a test… make a bowl of mashed potatoes and weight it. Butter up, sour cream, and salt it or whatever like you normally would keeping track of how much fat you add too. Eat to your satisfaction and then weigh it again. Tally up the calories you ate.

The next day make plain potatoes, do the weight thing, eat, and tally up the calories.

Here’s what happens. The fat makes it so much more palatable, you eat more than you normally would, plus you have the extra added calories from the fat on top of that.

Bodybuilders (fitness competitors) have done this for a long time. Bland meals, low-fat carbs (oats & brown rice) and very lean protein. Not saying this is healthy, just trying to show another example. Almost nobody overeats boring food, except me

I know it sounds like I’m demonizing fat, but I’m not. Think of it as moderation. You’ll see how much moderation American’s don’t exercise if you ever have guests from Europe over for dinner. LOL

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So yah, my yam is buttered. My fruit is typically in full fat yogourt or breakfast smoothie (made with fats like coconut cream/whip cream, etc.).

Granted, this yam & extra serving of fruit comes on top of 1 serving of fruit and low/moderate carb intake via veggies, yogourt, whole milk etc. each day. Using a calorie tracker on an average day, I get 15% carb, 56% fat, 29% protein BEFORE adding in my extra fruit & starch last month. Like I said, I don’t *really* track calories, only track a day once in a while. So maybe I ate more calories overall and that is solely the cause of the weight gain?

Or maybe it’s that high fat, moderate protein & low carb easily works for me without any measuring. Maybe if I was meticulous in calorie counting I could eat a more “balanced” diet higher in “safe” carbs? Or maybe 8/1/1 would work too? I won’t discount it, though not sure I’ll ever try it. I’m sure by now my family thinks I have an eating disorder already. Tried vegetarian for a couple weeks last year, then vegan for a bit longer than that, then a “balanced” diet, then something closer to “paleo”. Good thing my wife loves me and I do all the cooking.

I dropped the extra fruit (typically a banana, though there were mangoes involved too) & starches with dinner (yams mostly) and have lost nearly all the fat in the last two weeks. With no real change in energy output (same 1 workout a week, still have decent progress in the gym too).

That extra fruit & starch is only about 250ish calories a day. I’m sure if I had a higher activity level I could eat it easily. But I’m a computer guy who’s stuck behind 3 screens daily for at least 10 hours. Which also explains why I type so much in your comments here, sorry.

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Very small eaters, naturally thin, or athletes can fudge this,

Half a yam or a serving of fruit at dinner is not very many calories. I’m going to assume you’ve got quite a bit of fat in the mix. A couple yams, no added fat, a smaller serving of meat, and a pretty good chance you’d see a different result.

If you were keto before you started adding back the carbs, it’s a very good chance some or all of that weight is increased glycogen levels. In myself, this very much looks like belly fat.

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Interesting post. I’ve never tried 8/1/1, but just adding an extra serving of fruit and eating a moderate amount of safe carbs with dinner (half a yam, etc.) has me carrying an extra 8 pounds of belly fat after just one month. Everyone is different I guess. I don’t meticulously track calories but I have done a couple of days of tracking and my overall calorie intake last month was no higher than before.

I only lift weights, no cardio (go for walks, but that’s not exercise even if I live on a mountain), but I find my energy levels are pretty awesome when in the gym. Even my mornings I’m able to function without my coffee and prior to changing my diet to something resembling paleo, I was that zombie dude in the morning till I had a couple cups of coffee in me.

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But seriously … from what I have seen, Doug G. is extremely fit, impressively so for his age … and the wrinkled appearance seems, to me, to be related to consistent, regular, unprotected time in the sun.

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#1 very bad style! (big one)
#2 sun worshiping (a big one)
#3 genetics
#4 work stress
#5 oxidative stress from ultra exercise (Doug)
#6 too many years at too low body fat.

Doug doesn’t look bad all the time. This one he does for sure. I have videos where I look so horrible I almost didn’t put them up. Some people just do not look good on camera, and I know not so good looking people who look great. I’ll give Doug the benefit of the doubt because the camera can exaggerate imperfections immensely (like eye circles and face redness in my case).

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What I have been wondering is – why do he and Rozalind Graham (wife) look so much older than their years? If you see photos of Doug from just 10 years ago, he looks sooooo much younger. He has aged considerably over the last decade, and it’s been approximately 11 or 12 years that he’s been eating exclusively, 100% raw vegan with no cheats (according to him).

Doug is my mother’s age and my mother actually looks younger than him, and much younger than his wife. My mom has been a SAD eater and chronic dieter her whole life. She’s always popping diet pills or following some low calorie regimen or another.

Rozalind is only in her forties! Eek! What happened?

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=768654477

Absolutely, prolonged low carb dieting can age you quickly, but prolonged LFRV doesn’t appear to promise much better (as far as appearances go)…

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You can see in that graph, my minerals were all doing quite well.

I’m not much on supplementation, but it has a place just like pharma medicine. I prefer to address the root of problems with whole foods. The end of Matt’s AHS speech kind of touched on this when he was talking about anti-nutrients. We really don’t have much of a clue as to how nutrients work in the whole scheme of things of whole foods yet, and concentrated nutrients can be harmful in themselves.

The vegans are pretty good about promoting sunshine, and some like Durianrider might be good at converting A. Not sure where K2 fits into the scheme of things with that diet (haven’t look into it yet), but this may explain why some advocates haven’t had teeth problems like others.

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Excess calcium could also be problematic in terms of calcified arterial plaques and calcification in joint tissues.

Most people probably get too much calcium, and not enough magnesium, if anything – take some Mg Citrate. Just my two cents.

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Most of the people on the banana site don’t lift heavy things, and many have a history of anorexia vs paleo crowd’s history of obesity. Obese people have a bunch of muscle much of the time once you peel away the fat. Also lifting heavy is encouraged in paleo.

If you’re not doing raw dairy, I would quit. You will breath better. Personally I’m not overly worried about calcium, but if it’s a concern of yours, I can’t see too much wrong with any supplement as long as you’re not using it to cheat your way to nutrition (ie.. sub par diet). Calcium can be gotten from lots of greens, as well as other minerals.

Here are some charts from a stretch of low-fat raw vegan. You’ll see the calcium is a little low, but the diet is also low in potentially calcium leaching foods. I could have easily adjusted to raise it.
http://castlegrok.com/absurdity-of-nutrient-nitpicking/

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I’m definitely considering dropping dairy but I was wondering do you take a calcium supplement or are you not worried about getting calcium?

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Not sure when, but I will be going to hawaii soon. If you want to be one of my tour guides I’m all for it.

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I’m very much on board with Stephan’s position about keeping food simple to reduce food reward. I’ve practiced this for years, and bodybuilders have been doing it forever. At some point I’ll have to get around to reading his series on the subject. Probably haven’t, because I’m already convinced.

I’m also very on board with (and practice) what he wrote about Dr. Michel Cabanac. I will be looking into him as well.

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Plant-based. More like Vegetarian with a side of nutrient dense animal products. High-carb lower-fat is where most the resistance I get stems from. “He can eat carbs because he exercises all the time” is what I hear a lot. Funny enough, that’s not even why I started eating carbs. I was heavily sold on the benefits of the whole “fat adapted” thing. In the future I will go a lot more heavily into all this.

Although we have a much longer history with fruit therefor making it the actual paleo carb source, I’ve also undemonized neolithic but very much “ancestral” (as outlined by Chris Masterjohn here) foods like rice and sweet potatoes. I prepare these traditionally (more later) to reduce or eliminate the anti-nutrients in them.

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There was a lot of noise on #ahs11, and that one seemed to form after we had already organized our live-tweeting with our respective followers and readership. So I stuck with #pmatahs for consistency.

The overall amount of followers on our hash tag might have been lower, but I think the signal-to-noise ratio was higher, with the tweets being far more focused on session content, rather than social happenings.

Thankfully, the Internet is forever, so people can easily look back and reference information as needed, like you mentioned.

I do remember seeing one of your tweets with that tag. It was a good one. Also remember being disappointed that it didn’t have the #AHS11 tag so people would see it, but what you said makes sense.

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If the AHS11 tweets are still available for a while after the videos come out, I may do a blog post highlighting some some of the gross misinterpretations. Undecided. Not sure if I’m digging the hole deeper by trying to explain or not. I’d really like to move on from all this and focus the energy on what’s more important (the big picture). I’m not really a look back kinda guy. Left that back with my industrial diet and depression.

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As much as I could make possible, my Tweets were actual quotes from the presenters during their session.

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Funny enough, most of these could have fit in Tweets

Thank you for the support! Didn’t realize I’d get so many messages. Due to the support I’ve recieved, I’ll consider compiling all my future comments and things I write on on the web into posts on this site. I will also continue to post pictures of life and food (ie.. junk food transparency) on twitpic. This can be done without twitter open burning up my time, allowing me to be gone from there, but not forgotten. Keep you guys updated on my insignificant life.

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Fantastic quote sent to me by Michael:

“Absorb what is useful, Discard what is not, Add what is uniquely your own” ~ Bruce Lee

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Brother Grok, I do hope that you will be back and with a vengeance. I do understand how things can be taken out of context of not totally understood. I appreciate the fact that you have challenged me to always question what I am doing and make sure that my plan of action is the one that is actually working instead of me just hoping that it is working. Keep the faith and keep putting YOUR story out there no matter what people say.

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The guy is putting me to sleep, but I’ll keep listening. All the soy talk is pretty off putting. Soy is shit. I’m sure there’ll be some information in there worth cherry picking though, so I’ll keep listening. All this flax talk sounds a bit like http://bit.ly/nzm7wr

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Yes, I watch that stuff back then.
Yes, I have flipped my food pyramid.
Yes, it did cost an assload of money until I found fruit to base calories.
I still don’t give two shits about vegan propaganda.
No, I don’t believe eating wild animals is going to cause pandemics.
No, consuming some animal products is not going to cause cancer.
No, I don’t preach Durianrider, but I do preach higher carb diet. I’ve found fruit to be the best carb source as had DR.

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Your youtube link was broken, so I replaced the link.

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Are you preaching durianrider now(in 2011???)

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Did you ever watch http://tinyurl.com/drgregercomplete (watch for 12.5 hrs)?

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Exactly the kind of comments I’ve come to expect from skinny 17 year olds in their Mom’s basement who think the paleo diet is going to make them “diesel.”

Obviously you didn’t listen to the podcast or read the show notes. Go back to jerking off to “Good Calories, Bad Calories” now. Think of this while you are… those happy page sticking endings to every chapter are composed of fructose

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I had an electrolyte imbalance last week from drinking too much water during hot long exercise and not getting enough sodium. Blowing into the toilet one night with both ends exacerbated problems further. That week I was plagued with random panic attacks. One of which happened 1/8 mile into an ocean swim. Fuck that! After I didn’t drown, I pedaled my ass to the store and bought 1/2 gallon of Gatorade, some salty marinara sauce and a mineral supp. Sucked that down. Few days later I seem to be doing well.

My point is, I was messed up and processed crap was the fastest way to get me well. Doing what needs to be done sometimes is a lot less harmful than being dogmatic and dragging things along. Wasn’t the fault of the diet, I just hadn’t made the adjustments necessary to compensate for my added electrolyte needs.

Pregnancy would be similar. There’s going to be different needs since you’re feeding two people. One a developing brain. Not saying it can’t be done as a vegan, but is dietary dogma worth possibly having a jacked up kid if you didn’t meet the required needs?

@Toad, You should be a fan of drugs and viagra then too. World is obsessed with those as well. Had you focused on a dick grow book instead of smoothies, you’d be a rich guy

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I did not watch the video but read the post and read all the comments…

I am enjoying your thoughts Grok (what is your real name by the way?). It is making me become more open minded.

Because I live in MIchigan I tend to eat a lot more fruit in the summer. I mean, its locally grown here and thus incredibly fresh. I just picked some berries on Friday and have been eating a lot throughout the day.

I also love bananas because they are great for smoothies.

I do not personally count carbs, protein or fat. I eat whole, real food. Paleo food. I don’t do dairy except for butter and whey (for smoothies!).

I am a fan of bacon because the world is obsessed about it. When I post anything about bacon on my facebook wall it gets a dozen likes within 2minutes. Its crazy!

If I eat sugar on top a lot of fat and protein then I have some gas issues. If I don’t eat much then I can combine them fairy easily.

Many paleo newbies will substitute almond flour for wheat flour. I have thought this was a huge mistake right from the very beginning. Nuts have the same properties of grains. They only difference is the fat and carb content really! Wheat has gluten but nuts have MORE phytic acid!

I personally feel almonds tearing up my gut after just 8 or so! Raw almonds that is. I do better with blanched almonds.

I could go on and on… I’ll stop here and will chime in on your next post.

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P.S. Insomnia and poor sleep are some of the worst side effects of chronic caffeine use (to me the absolute worst is that so-tired-I-feel-sick crash in the afternoon). Say bye bye to these and hello to deep, restful sleep and productive, alert afternoon hours. Wooo hooo!

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This morning instead of my usual pot of French Roast I had a cup of green tea and an all-fruit breakfast. I dearly love the coffee, but the toll on my body is too much. I plan to replace coffee with something else I’m keen on upon awakening, like ripe mango or pineapple. No headaches today w/o the Joe. I’m trying to recall how I experienced the world B.C. (before coffee), and I want to get back to that place.

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Sleep, like overtime, is hard work, but the only way to get back what you’ve lost to the caffeine debt. How many alcoholics taper their consumption and quit?.. They don’t. Taper/limit if you need, but turn off the computer and do what really needs to be done. If you can’t, start making different lifestyle decisions so that you can. The hours spent reading that book at night, could be spent sleeping.

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Sounds like you’re eating about 1/16 of the fat most paleo people do. The low-carbers need to drop the pride and realize it’s time to move on. Low-carb is a tool, not a lifestyle. I love imagining eating those greasy meatza things, but don’t imagine feeling like tacking anything but the couch afterward

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I used to be one of those people who literally would be unable to function without my morning cup of coffee. If for some reason I was deprived of this, I would quickly succumb to extreme disorientation and then a migraine headache. I was seriously, seriously addicted.

Thanks to Cherniske’s book, I was able to break my caffeine addiction within a couple of weeks – he provides a pain free formula for weaning yourself off, and I followed this formula with great success. I would not recommend cold turkey (sorry Grok) – only a couple of hours of that hell, and I would have run screaming right back to coffee.

Now, going into this weaning off process, I was expecting to be a very unhappy, lethargic mess. I believed that decreasing the amount of caffeine I was intaking would result automatically in fatigue and brain fog. I was anticipating the whole process being a miserable experience.

My, my, my, how wrong I was. Miraculously, I watched as my energy actually INCREASED the less caffeine I drank. The further I moved away from that addiction, the more alive and energetic I felt.

I realized, for example, that the horrible crashes I would endure every afternoon, when I would become tired to the point of actually feeling ill and become desperate for a nap, were actually directly caused by my caffeine addiction. You know those energy drink commercials, showing those office workers becoming dead tired and drag ass in the afternoon? THAT, my friend, is caffeine addiction. A normal, healthy person does not endure that sickening afternoon energy crash.

I left the coffee habit behind and have not regretted it for a moment. I’ve given up a lot of harmful substances in my life: refined sugar, booze, drugs, smoking, white flour, refined carbs, gluten foods, cheese, and I can say with confidence that none of them had the profound effect on my day to day energy levels and sense of well being like giving up caffeine.

Ditching the coffee habit REVOLUTIONIZED my life and I can’t highly recommend it enough. You don’t realize until it’s over and done how much of a grip it has over your life and health.

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I look around at people in the paleo community and see so many low carbers that are pudgy. They are proud of the weight they have lost, but they have definitely stalled. The tribe of former raw vegans I hang with is so much healthier looking and definitely have different eating habits. I still lapse into raw vegan eating all the time. I eat just fruit for lunch a lot. I can’t imagine eating the cheesy bacon meatza things so many low carbers eat. I do often eat carbs with fat though and have never noticed a problem. I don’t add as much fat as some paleo folks do though. I do though a can of coconut cream a month and a pack of butter every two months and eat mainly pastured goat and lamb. I never throw out the fat from that though.

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First throw everything you know about eating fruit out the window. Eat it until you’re satisfied and do not stop until then. If that means 20 [insert fruit] or bananas in a sitting… so be it! If you crave junk (calorically dense foods) chances are you didn’t eat enough or your fruit wasn’t ripe enough. Don’t limit yourself. Big bodies need big calories. As the weight comes off, the calorie requirements will go down as well. If you’re very overweight, just walking is like doing weighted lunges. If I did lunges all day, I’d need more calories too

Second read Doug Grahams 80/10/10. Tender greens play a large role in his plan. They are especially important for some people. Females seem to crave/need them and veggies more than males from my perception.

Not going to recommend 80/10/10 (especially 100% vegan) as the end all be all diet, but it’s a great starting point.

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One of my favorites was coconut flakes, berries, and nuts with raw milk or a faux milk. Usually pushed me over the consumption deep end once those berry carbs hit my lips. Here are some shots:

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Most of the stuff was local, hand picked, farm direct, or made by my own hands. Usually added cinnamon for “blood sugar control.” Haven’t used cinnamon, or added fats for a year now. Oddly enough I don’t have carbo crashes or corresponding weight gain.

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@Sharky, Withdrawals, no. Wishing I had it sometimes… took a month maybe to get rid of “one of those days.” Just sack up, quit cold turkey and make sure you’re sleeping enough and lots of sweet fruit carbs for your energy. Caffeine is bad news that’s played down. A debt system. Once you’ve maxed out your caffeine cards (adrenals) you’re fuct. I know as well as any, with caffeine consumption that high, your clock is ticking. I was energy drink drinker for a few years (hell on teeth). Once paleo for a while, I was driven into caffeine via LOTS of tea and eventually pure caffeine anhydrous after that wasn’t enough.

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in my experience, barefooting is beneficial as a supplemental–jogging/strides on grass following a workout–but lightweight shoes are essential for optimal performance.

a question re caffeine: you say you gave it up cold turkey, any withdrawal symptoms? I’m habituated to high caffeine, probably in the range of 800-1000 mg/day in coffee, and want to ratchet that down. advice?

thanks

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I now fail to break the connection between a diet that helps you recover faster from extreme exercise stress and a similar designed one for everyday life. Life is nothing but stress! Everyone deserves a diet for the best possible recovery so they can tackle the next day. Whatever that may bring.

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@Hanlie, Perfect. 811 is a great place to start. For me, it’s simple… if you’re honestly following things (eating enough, truly ripe fruits, variety, etc..) to the letter and stop feeling less than “the best in your whole life” test/tweak until YOU DO start feeling the best in your whole life again. I like the idea of you remaining flexible with your salads at work. As long as you’re getting in enough calories and carbs to make you satisfied and happy, that’s the main point. Don’t try and restrict. It ONLY leads to the land of calorie dense junk.

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I might add some whole rice to my salad lunches I take to work, especially in the beginning, but I agree with you that starches are actually not that ideal. They need to be flavored with something to make them palatable, and that something is often fat.

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Chris

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Fruits have a wide variety of vitamins, are very juicy and delicious on their own, satiating (reason many people use them as snacks), and as woo-woo as it may sound to some, I really feel there’s something to the whole “raw food” thing and bio availability of nutrients in foods consumed in their fresh whole unheated state.

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Robby Barbaro is also a dietetic who manages his diabetes T1 with a fruit based diet and has information on both types.

In full disclosure, I have not read much from any of these people, and therefor am not endorsing them. Most are vegans. Some people may turn their nose up to the thought of Vegans, but if someone could have reversed my health, I wouldn’t have cared if they were a vegan from outer space. Would you?

Anyone looking to watch a plant-based weight loss story unfold… this one should be interesting: Johnny “O” goes Vegan

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If you have any adrenal issues, stay away from the caffeine and tea. Just remember, you don’t have to settle for feeling sub-par! Tweak away until you feel like superman

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