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I’ve been slacking quite a bit lately, because I don’t have the extra free time during training. I might start doing more video when the weather gets a bit better and I implement some Xterra type runs. I just need to figure out a camera system that wont be such a distraction during my workout.

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My basic approach at this time is to blacklist basically anything that man has screwed around with.

Learn to like coconut oil huh… hmmm… *sip* bleark! That could take some time…

Great site by the way, I was going to do a similar thing till I found it, no need to reinvent the wheel…

Goose

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P.S. Don’t go all crazy on the fat until you drop the inflammatory foods like the breads/white starches and sugars. Prof. Cordains basic guidelines are probably the best for you for quite a while.

It’ll be tough, but you wont be sorry.

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Here’s the kicker: Butter, cream & sour cream are basically pure fat, so the drawbacks of dairy (casein/lactose) are missing for the most part. It’s accepted in the low carb community. Just make sure if you eat them, try to get organic and/or grass-fed if you can. All the garbage sits in the fat of the animals.

If I was in your situation… I would stay off the dairy except for maybe some butter.

Coconut oil rules. Start liking it If you don’t now… you’ll probably love it in a few months when your tastebuds change.

See my other tips:
http://castlegrok.com/tag/paleo_diet/

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I am super new to all this Paleo stuff but plan on doing it next week after a physical confirms that I am about to die (from evil western food) and I thought all dairy was off the diet!

Please clarify…

Cheers

Goose

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The scenic route is always the nicer one compared to the roads or the more traveled one. But for real, being lost is not cool one bit!

Great sight. I look forward to seeing the world through your eyes…

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I had a pretty good response to putting up some of my hunting stuff this year. I think I helped change a few outlooks, which makes me feel good.

Taking the life of an animal can be a very spiritual experience. Have you seen the hunting scene from Avatar yet? It really makes you feel like part of nature’s process.

We’re the top of the food chain. That’s reality. Doesn’t mean there’s no respect. Coyotes were taking grouse on that same trail almost every day. I know because I was seeing the new feather patches. The grouse lived a natural life. He just has a different role in the circle of life.

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I watched your video in awe. I thought i would be freaked out (and did originally mute it when i watched you rip apart the bird!), but I am starting the Primal Blueprint plan and I sam starting to see things differently.

Thanks for your website! I’ll be reading more!

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“Humans are the only species that still drink baby milk through to adult-hood.”

I’ve always thought this was a lame argument. The only reason other species don’t continue drinking milk, is because Momma forces them off her tits. Then she dries up.

“Raw milk may be better than pasteurized”

They don’t even compare. As far as I’m concerned, pasteurized milk is not even food. It’s a food product. No different than sugary cereal.

There is absolutely nothing un-paleo about sweet potatoes. Eat them.

“We advocate that Paleo Athletes obtain their carbs from non-grain sources such as yams, sweet potatoes, fruits, fresh fruit juices, dried fruit and vegetables.” ~ Professor Cordain

Even hard core paleos know milk is the way you add beef. They use it to make their gains, whether you hear about it or not. Do bodybuilders admit to using roids? Ever seen the bodies of a hunter gatherers? They’re not a beefy bunch

P.S. I thought I had lactose intolerance. I went no dairy for a while until I found out it was only pasteurized that gave me problems.

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Thanks for the tips.

I used to live off milk and ate plenty of sweet potatoes. I learned a long time ago that dairy, meat and certain other foods would help my gain weight very quickly.

My goal with this transition is to follow as close as I can the foods recommended by the Paleodiet. I understand your desire to continue with dairy consumption. It tastes great! and it’s packed with plenty of calories and protein.

Humans are the only species that still drink baby milk through to adult-hood. (And we drink another species milk) Raw milk may be better than pasteurized, but our ancestors had no access to either one until the age of farming.

Here’s a great list of Paleo foods: http://altmed.creighton.edu/paleodiet/Foodlist.html

Again, thanks for the tips. I had never heard of Chia seeds for consumption before your site. I have some coming in the mail tomorrow. Can’t wait to try them out!

Take care,

J

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1.) Eat more

2.) Why did you ditch the sweet potatoes? They’re perfectly ok and primal despite what anyone says; unless you’re trying to lose (which you’re not).

3.) Add dairy for an easy way to boost calories. Heavy cream, sour cream, fatty cheeses, butter. Generously add it to everything.

4.) Drink RAW milk. As much as you can afford.

5.) Upping fruit will put weight on you, but I can’t really recommend it.

Slightly less on a primal diet, but calories do matter!

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Love your website! Glad to see someone still hunting out there. Whitetail season is the one thing that usually brings be back home every year. Question? Most of your transition info pertains to those wanting to “lose” weight. I’m trying to gain some back. I’m down about 20 lbs from what I would consider average weight for me. Any suggestions on calorie rich Paleo meals or best type of fat intake. Without my sweet potatoes, brown rice, wheat bread, pasta and milk I’m wasting away! It’s the end of week 2 for me and I def. need soem advice!

Thanks,
Jeremy

http://rawpaleoliving.blogspot.com/

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It’s a tasty recipe, but for some the boiled eggs can have some repercussions

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favorite recipe: Chocolate Almond Butter Smoothie
1 cup coconut milk
1 cup frozen banana
1/2 tsp vanilla extract
2 tbsp almond butter
1 tbsp raw cacao powder or unsweetened cocoa powder
1/2 cup water (use as necessary for proper consistency)

That one does sound like a favorite

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Flaxcakes are a little more “blah” so add a little vanilla or something to bring back some flavor.

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I used about 1/2 of the veggies called for, but only had about 1/4lb of ground venison thawed out. It ended up being about perfect for filling two large peppers.

Things I did differently:

• I used grass-fed tallow instead of olive oil
• Chopped tomato instead of canned
• Few shots of Tabasco Garlic Pepper Sauce

Review:
This is a delicious recipe that I will be making again. Very flavorful and not heavy in the gut.

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I guess he is unfamiliar with:

* Ancel Keys’ fraud which started all of this

* The 26 long term prospective studies to date, only 4 of which showed even desperately weak associations between saturated fat and CAD, one of which was a beneficial association.

* All 18 clinical randomized (some double blinded) which show no support at all tot he farcical anti saturated fat dogma.

* The numerous cultures from around the world who eat saturated fat rich and have awesome cardiovascular health.

I guess he has not read Anthony Colpo’s brilliant book “The Great Cholesterol Con”, then took the references and verified this awesome information for himself. No one exposes the cholesterol sham better than Colpo – no one. Colpo’s book is sooooo much more detailed than Taubes on saturated fat and cholesterol. If only the public were as familair with it. It is more than a damn shame.

So sad.

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That’s probably why oats are a problem.

A problem people love. Gotta get that fiber you know ? ?

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That was a popular one when I put it up. Yummy too!

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I just add it to things to soak up a little liquid & add fiber etc… Plus I’m just a coconut lover.

I suppose flax meal or almond flour could double, or just dry out the zuke a little more. I probably just got impatient

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Ha-ha. Ok then… I eat so damn many that they have a carb

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Now you’re talking my language

I love raw eggs about as much as life itself. They have a carb

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Read it here: http://tinyurl.com/ybaz4zs

When it comes to diseases other than celiac disease, this paper is just hypothetical posturing and there is not one trace of evidence for harm caused by gluten-safe grains according to acceptable standards of epidemiological evidence. No randomised trials or even evidence from long-term prospective trials or cross-sectional studies.

On the other hand, there is substantial evidence that consumption of whole grains is protective against type 2 diabetes and heart disease in humans.

http://tinyurl.com/ykc6kwv

And it makes sense of course. Most of the longest-lived, healthy populations that we know of consume grains in balanced quantities.

What do whole grains give me that I can’t get from vegetables? Longest living peoples also have diets high in vegetables & fats. Why is it that we assume it’s the grains?

I also happen to KNOW that most Type II diabetics will benefit from eating almost anything besides Krispy Kremes and ‘All You Can Eat’ pancakes from the truck stop. I live in the mecca of Type II diabetics. Anywhere outside of Seattle in Western Washington is like living with peopleofwalmart.com

When I get stuck following a school bus home from town, makes me want to vomit in my mouth while crying watching the kids waddle out like penguins at each stop

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“The cell walls of cereals and legumes contain a storage protein, GRP 180, which also can act as a ligand to self-presented MHC peptides [Dybwad 1996]. Further, peptides contained in dairy proteins (bovine serum albumins–BSA, among many) also may contain peptide sequences which can interact with endogenously presented peptides [Perez-Maceda 1991]. Cereal, legume, dairy, and yeast-free diets potentially have therapeutic benefit in many autoimmune related disorders via their ability to reduce gut permeability and decrease the exogenous antigenic load both from pathogenic bacteria and from potentially self-mimicking dietary peptides.”
http://www.beyondveg.com/cordain-l/grains-leg/grains-legumes-1b.shtml#molecular%20mimicry

Oats also do not contain gluten and are often allowed on gluten-free diets for coeliac sufferers yet I have first-hand experience of someone close to me who had extensive gut problems while eating oats in the absence of any other grains.

She had numerous tests and investigations by doctors and specialists in the field of gastrointestinal medicine who could not pinpoint the cause of her problems.

After a lot of persuasion from me she gave up eating oats and within a short space of time all her symptoms subsided and she felt much better.

Then she suddenly started consuming oats again and the symptoms once more flared up. Since stopping oats permanently she has had no further flare ups.

“extensive gut problems while eating oats in the absence of any other grains.”

Count me in this group. IBS & inflammation issues. Oats were the very last grain I gave up before becoming primal.

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Celiac disease is a special case, but you will have to quote me even one reputable paper that describes an autoimmune disease of humans attributable to, or related to, grains other than gluten grains. No theoretical biochemicals: I want proof. Gluten is a special case with a genetic basis.

Further, show me proof of other than very limited idiosyncratic allergies and intolerances to grains other than gluten grains, that is not the hallucination of some ‘off the planet’ naturopath or so-called natural healer.

Sure, some people don’t tolerate gluten and others are intolerant of, or allergic to seafood, shellfish, eggs, nuts, soy, even meat, and many, many other foods. If it doesn’t suit you . . . well don’t eat it. We are not genetically homogeneous.

This is not an argument for the Paleo diet, it’s an argument for sensible eating.

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Even those Africans that predominantly eat the grains under discussion suffer malnutrition and ill-health compared to those that consume mostly animal foods.

You say Mozambique is only one site and there are more to come – how do you know?

The evidence for this single site is not exactly that powerful – there could be a million and one reasons for those sorghum traces on those stone tools without jumping to the conclusion that they were eaten and even if they were, there is no way to know if it was as a staple or a fall-back subsistence food.

The Mercader paper mentions that many of the stone tools that had sorghum residues were coated in a yellow-ochre dye or had a similar coloured patina, which suggests another possibility besides food – that of pigment-making, something for which sorghum has a long history.

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Sure, meat was eaten, and fruit and veges and grains, perhaps seasonally, although millet keeps very well in storage. The Mozambique site is only one; more to come.

And BTW, you have to stick to the Homo sapiens evolutionary cradle in east Africa. You can’t count meat eating in Europe by Neanderthals and early migratory Homo erectus. They are not our ancestors.

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Blend everything until really smooth. Cook at about 375°

These pancakes were a *little* more crumbly (like the usual paleo pancakes) than recipe #2, but the pecan flavor was fantastic!

Melt some butter in a small dish & dip in your bite size pieces

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Thanks Lisa. I made them again too, but a different variety

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Yes, many Africans eat grains now (as a staple) and may have for decades or centuries but that does not necessarily extrapolate back to paleolithic times.

The difference being that paleo dieters have a great deal of archaeological evidence to draw on for meat eating by our ancient ancestors – not least of which is radioactive isotope evidence from fossilized bones that show animals were the primary source of nutrition.

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“Kaveta, another traditional variety, was mixed with salt and eaten raw. It was also harvested and eaten before it was completely ready.”

http://www.idrc.ca/en/ev-30808-201-1-DO_TOPIC.html

Read “The Lost Crops of Africa” which documents 60 edible grains species, many in the evolutionary cradle. There is no way grains would not have been consumed for a very long time. Gelada baboons eat raw grains and so do some monkeys, and it’s likely that Australopithecus, 4 million years ago, did as well.

The Paleo diet is a con, and perhaps worse.

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I used my Vita-Mix the second time because I ran out of shredded coconut. Batter was perfect! Just like I had sneaked some Bisquick into the bowl.

Recipe #2 is way lower-cal too, which means you can eat more!

The dry nuts and eggs blended worked.

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Yes, actually I do. The fact that they are just like the real thing as far as cutting, dipping, mouthfeel and ease of cooking is concerned. I feel recipe #2 is superior. If I had some vanilla around here, I’d probably add some of that also.

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The only supplements I take on a regular basis are cod liver oil, and Vitamin D.

Cod Liver Oil
My body is very sensitive to inflammation, so even with my generally clean (low Omega-6) diet these days, I still take 1-3 tablespoons of CLO a day. The large dose is why I generally use the cheaper Twinlab brand. I’ve also used other more expensive stuff, but saw no additional benefit. This dosage seems to work for me. Exercise is also inflammatory and I beat my body pretty badly with cardio (don’t recommend) sometimes. We’ll see what I have to do when my training is ramped way up.

Vitamin D
I dose about 35-40iu per pound which ends up being about 6,250iu total. I take 5,000iu in gelcap form from NOW and the rest is made up from the Vitamin D in the CLO above.

On the days I take more CLO, I usually wont take the Vitamin D gelcap. On days I know I’m exposed to sick people I’ll usually take an extra gelcap (10k). It usually balances out. I have not been sick nearly as much this year (w/less severity) and my mood has greatly improved.

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I’ve actually worked with some anthropologists and research psychologists on stuff regarding dietary stuff and your posting is very intelligent!

I was wondering what your take on the modern diet is in terms of what we should be doing? I recently read a posting from the FDA stating that every American should be on dietary suppliments, even if they are eating all organic, because American food simply does not have the 40-something nutrients that are needed on a daily basis. Anyways I used to be doing the one-a-day multi-vitamin thing but I hear that’s not the best for you because the body can’t absorb all of the daily nutrients it needs quickly enough for a single tablet to be effective.

Anyways I recently switched onto this nutrition program designed by this doctor who actually won the Nobel Prize for his work on this program and have felt amazing ever since, and it is amazing for weight maintenance/gain/loss depending on which track you take, but I was wondering what your take on dietary suppliments was in terms of staying healthy with the modern diet?

I’d love to hear your thoughts, or anyone’s for that matter! If you have time just email me anytime at alexidouvas[at]gmail.com!!

I really look forward to speaking more in the future!!

Wishing you a happy and healthy new years!

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I’d spiked my blood sugar during New Years Day gluttony and was exposed to sick people. I noticed the cold coming from increased sniffles on Jan 2nd and have been holding it at bay despite working out in the cold rain for a few days.

In the past, I would have been down immediately from a cold! I hate to admit it, but I have a crappy immune system. I’m confident my now healthy gut & increased Vitamin D (about 6,250iu per day) dose is what’s helped me hold it back as long as I have.

I will be dosing about 800iu per pound, per day, and will report my condition & total downtime here.

Day 1:
Woke up in the middle of the night with bad drainage & choking on phlegm. Energy low. 5:45am first dose of Vitamin D. Got up at 9am. Great energy the rest of the day considering being sick

Dosage:
Three 40,000iu doses spaced evenly throughout the day. Taken with butter or coconut oil.
Total = 120,000iu

Day 2:
Slept well. Still congested with a mild headache, but drainage issue is mostly gone.

Dosage:
9:30am 50,000iu – 3:00pm 30,000iu – 9:30pm 50,000iu
Total = 130,000iu

Day 3:
Mild headache & dry sinuses/congestion during the night. Basically felt fine the rest of the day. Energy still good & has been. Tomorrow could be good to go!

Dosage:
10:30am 50,000iu – Cold pretty much gone – 10:00pm 50,000iu
Total = 100,000iu

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However, it is not that that cuts any ice with me, it is the fact that he makes logical, verifiable arguments based on the actual available data. I downloaded the full China Study paper myself and checked his facts – and he was correct! T Colin Campbell just spouts what he wants you to believe and the data be hanged – and because he has ‘credentials’ people accept what he says without question and without checking his ‘facts’ for themselves. Lazy!

In fairness to his credentials comment, I asked in a comment above. Good stuff though. I wish I could make the time to read more of these papers.

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Good for you man. Just make sure you’re honest about it. It’s pretty tough at first, mostly because you don’t know how to eat, but also you will see how big of a drug those grains really are. You literally won’t be able to eat almost anything from a box or can, which makes things extremely inconvenient at first.

Once you learn how to cook and your taste buds begin to change (several weeks minimum) it starts getting much easier.

Check out my Primal Transition Tips and paleo sabotage articles.

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Give me one reason why bucklesnarf needs grains in his diet other than for fueling his pride? Let go of the pride man! We won’t judge.

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Is this guy a credible source of information? Most likely not.

I know lots of people with advanced degrees who are deeply lacking in the common sense dept.. As a matter of fact, maybe most of them. Letters after your name are not a marker of intelligence or common sense. This is flaw in our society that’s getting worse. Nobody knew who Einstein was while writing most of his stuff as a patent clerk. Boy, what an un-credible source of information he turn out to be!

What are Lyle McDonald’s credentials?

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T Colin Campbell’s conclusions to the China Study do not match what the actual data says.

Hardly any of the associations reached statistical significance and the biggest positive correlations with cancer that they actually found was with plant proteins, carbohydrates and fibre while the only negative correlations they found were with fats.

Read the details here:
http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html

This is why your penchant for reliance on argumentum ad verecundiam and ipse dixit leads you to look foolish – you believe, at face value, what these so called ‘experts’ tell you rather than check whether what they say matches the facts!

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They say their studies have passed peer review.

They are all very critical of the paleo community and say they have the science to back it up?

Comments?

Paleo is a plant based diet if you want it to be!
Solid meat diets reduce disease also!
I didn’t know anyone still gave a shit about the China Study except Vegans.

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First, to be clear, noone actually needs carbohydrate, in any quantity to survive. Your body is quite capable of making all the glucose you need from protein in your liver, through gluconeogenesis, and the rest of your body and some functions of your brain are perfectly happy running on ketones.

That being said, CastleGrok mentioned that sweet potatoes, and I’d submit a banana here and there, aren’t going to bother someone who’s very well adapted to carbohydrate metabolism. If you have no metabolic syndrome (normal fasting glucose/insulin), then you can probably handle some starch.

One thing I emphasize when I tell people about the paleo diet: it’s not about avoiding carbs/starches, it’s about avoiding foods we were not meant to eat. While avoiding starch can accelerate weight loss, a healthy lean person shouldn’t fear them.

-Bryce

“it’s not about avoiding carbs/starches”

Right! when I’m eating “normal” it’s nothing for me to still eat 200 carbs a day in non-starchy vegetables. That’s hardly a low-carb diet, but it’s hyper-low compared to my old sad diet.

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Now your starting to make sense except for the “had to have” part. If you want to try paleo, we’ll support you, not laugh at you and call a dumbshit when you have a question *cough* like other places on the web

Obviously we’re human and not perfect, so an 80/20 rules is a standard we follow. 80% (most of us much more) of the time we eat the right way, the other 20% we let in forbidden stuff. 20% ends up being quiet a bit of cheating if you ask me.

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People fortunately survive many foolhardy practices but that does not make them sensible things to do in general!

If you were marooned on a deserted island in the middle of the ocean and the only food source was wild grains then, by all means eating them to survive in the hopes of rescue would be preferable to starvation.

However, if I found myself marooned on a similar island that also had abundant wild game as well as wild grains, I’d definitely opt for the game rather than the grains – I’d leave that for fodder for the animals!

When you boil evolutionary biology down to its simplest components you see that plants create glucose via photosynthesis – they take sunlight an CO2 from their environment as raw materials and synthesise from it what they need to survive. more complicated animal life forms cannot directly absorb sunlight or CO2 to make what they need, so they allow the plants to do that part for them then they eat the plants. Further up the food chain, humans cannot absorb many of the nutrients in plants so they eat the animals that ate the plants that absorbed the sunlight and CO2.

We are able to survive on certain plant foods and cereal grains in the absence of anything better but at a cost that may not be apparent until decades later and even then only in subtle ways.

Full-blown coeliac disease is merely the most symptomatic version of gluten-caused disease. Many people will suffer asymptomatic consequences of their grain consumption. Certain auto-immune diseases can be traced back to asymptomatic gut permeability issue due to grain consumption.

It’s just not worth the risk when you consider that 100g of wheat germ contains paltry amounts of vitamins and minerals compared to the same quantity of lamb’s liver. No one could eat 100g of wheat germ as a meal anyway (eat would be like eating a bowlful of sawdust!) – the most you would ever use is a few tens of grams sprinkled on muesli or baked into bread or maybe added to soup!

Last paragraph reminds me of “AOX & cocoa” hype. Yes cocoa is very high in AOX, but you have to eat 100g of pure cocoa to get the big dose they brag about. About the only people who can stomach that much cocoa are us non-sugar addicted paleos. Everyone else would gag from the bitterness.

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Thanks. Perhaps you don’t understand, because you’ve never eliminated grains for a period of time.

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Sure, they have a dark side, but everything does .

Grains are a great addition to any diet, they just should not dominate it. All those cultures above used grains as well as their vegetables and fruits.

Sweet potatoes are a great thing to eat, as evidence the Okinawans.

I know at least several of these cultures were fermenters.

Dude, we love and advocate sweet potatoes in athletes and healthy people. Sweet potatoes are a far cry from your white/russet potato that America loves.

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A hearty thank you for putting the nail in the coffin on this issue. Why are we even entertaining this troll? It’s obvious no amount of logic will ever disabuse him of this grain-praising.

None of the many people I have helped give up grains regret it. Not one. Bucklesnarf, if you enjoy grains, then keep eating them and good luck to you. I hope they help you live a long and healthy life. I know they won’t for me, or many of the rest of us.

According the Center for Disease Control, at LEAST one 3rd of Americans are in some way intolerant to wheat/gluten that they know about. How positive can anyone be that they aren’t in the unlucky one 3rd, or that the 1/3 isn’t more like 1/2 to 2/3?

Keep up the great work Grok!

The key words here: “that they know about”

I’d put my money on it, that if there was a large scale grain elimination diet study done, we could stick a 3/4 number on that figure.

Thanks Bryce, and thanks for contributing. This troll is too stupid to try eliminating grains and seeing what happens. Proof is in the Crossfit pudding. Lyle’s forum makes fun of Crossfit too. Why bust your ass with something like crossfit & paleo, when you can just do some heavy sets, take roids, eat pizza and crash diet it back off?

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iron

Dietary iron can be obtained either as heme iron from beef, lamb, pork and poultry or as nonheme iron from vegetables, whole grains, fortified grain products, and supplements. Beef and chicken liver are the richest sources of iron. In general, red meats, e.g., beef, veal, lamb, are richer in iron than white meat, e.g., poutlry, fish. Heme iron is more bioavailable than nonheme iron because it is a soluble complex absorbed intact by endocytosis. Nonheme iron may form insoluble complexes in the alkaline medium of the small intestines rendering it unavailable for mucosal uptake. Absorption of nonheme iron also depends on availability of an iron-binding mucosal transport protein (transferrin) to facilitate uptake from the intestines.
http://www.feinberg.northwestern.edu/nutrition/factsheets/iron.html

Essential fatty acids

At a poor ratio of 7.3:1 in favour of omega-6. Also, the omega-3 is the ‘parent oil’ which requires chain elongation into the much more useful forms DHA and EPA. This is very poor in humans.

Fiber

There is no convincing evidence that fibre is required by humans. It is likely an irritant to the gut lining, damages the delicate epithelial cells and causes lesions that may lead to more serious complications in later life.

Vitamin A

According to nutritiondata.com, 100g of wheat germ has no vitamin A in its most bioavailable form retinol.

Vitamin E

There is no data for vitamin E content of wheat germ on nutritiondata.com. (or any other major fat-soluble vitamin.

Folate

Studies have shown that the bioavailability of folate was lowest for wheat germ!

As I said, it’s not about how much there is of the stuff in there but how bioavailable it is to the body – and in most cases it is not bioavailable in the first place or comes packaged with antinutrients that block its absorption.

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Here is what whet germ has:

potassium
iron
28 % protein
essential fatty acids
fiber
riboflavin
calcium
zinc
magnesium
selenium
vitamin A
vitamin B1
vitamin B3
vitamin E
folate
phosphorous
thiamin
and to top it all off oxytocin, a powerful substance that helps us produce energy.

Wheat germ is incredible to put it short.

I know a currently 80 year old man in Miami who runs the 100 meters in the Master’s Olympics. This man is a huge fan of wheat germ. At the age of 70 he ran it in 14.68 seconds. At he age of 78 he ran it in 17 seconds. His fellow competitors are either dead ( so he wins by default) or too far gone to compete anymore .

This man has always been healthy looking and in fact looks younger than DeVany , Sisson and other paleo guys for HIS age. His face is less worn than those guys.

He eats no special diet (other than wheat germ supplementation and meats veggies and fruit smoothies included).

Will mark Sisson or any other Paleo anti grain person here be doing that at that age????????

I am sorry but Lyle McDonald is right. Grains are not bad, especially wheat germ.

Ever heard of genetics? My great grandpa lived into his mid 90s smoking a pipe his entire life. Smoking must be good for you! Ronnie Coleman has more muscle than I will ever have, even if I have a garden hose IV pumping roids into me. These folks are genetically superior in these areas.

Your friend may have a slow oxidizing metabolism and may tolerate grains quite well. Again, are they optimal? Remove the wheat germ and add a sugar pill or multi-vitamin. I bet the results are the same.

My Grandpa could tolerate tobacco smoke, but two of my grandmas died of emphysema at much younger ages. Feed me grains and you get acid reflux and inflammation galore.

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As to your second point, I couldn’t disagree more! There is absolutely nothing in grains that couldn’t be obtained from other more nutritious foods.

Most plant-based sources of vitamins and minerals are less bioavailable than in animal-based foods and, if you eat whole grains (which is what we are often exhorted to do) then you get all of the antinutrients that block their absorption anyway!

Cooking does not eliminate all of the antinutrients either and that has been shown in studies and experiments.

Also, if you look at the nutritional density of these foods you espouse you will see that gram-for-gram they are largely lacking. This is why pro-grain/vegetarian nutritionists only ever list micronutrient content on a per kcal basis because it makes plants look like rich sources when in fact they are not.

We don’t sit down to 200 kcals of spinach or couscous we sit down to a portion that fills the plate and fills our belly. To get the equivalent micronutrient hit of a decent portion of meat you’d have to eat bucket loads of the plant foods.

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Fry in butter or coconut oil, serve with squeezed lemon juice. Yum.
Sometimes I add raisins or goji berries to the batter.

Awesome Judy. I’d never had much good luck in the past with coconut pancakes either. I’ll have to give this a try!

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This series has many parts. This is what they eat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbfaE2UPVOw

Just as a side note, the nutritional profile of wheat germ is tremendous.

Grains are good, very good and very useful. They just do not need to dominate a diet. Remember we are not the same as paleoman anymore. We are not even like people from 11,ooo years ago. Most of us have evolved to hangle grains. It certainly has been enough time, and Dr. Henry Harpending ( very educated and respected world renowned anthrolpologist) agrees we are different.

“Grains are good, very good and very useful” – Grains make excellent glue.

I haven’t had time to watch the whole series yet (only into 2nd video), but I couldn’t help but notice:

a.) everything was fresh
b.) small potions
c.) mostly meat

Pretty hard to overindulge and suffer the affects of grain consumption when you’re hand making your raviolis and noodles.

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Plenty of fatty, spit-roasted meats there. Even the pasta is served with a sausage-based sauce and desserts of pastry are filled with cheese!

When we are told this population’s staple foods or that population’s staple foods are grains the implication is that it makes up the bulk of their diet. This is clearly not true – even from the last couple of examples.

A staple crop, like wheat, may be a country’s main determinant of their gross domestic product or income via export etc. but does not necessarily equate to the only thing they themselves eat or the main contribution to local diet or even an individual dish!

Great link Alex. I was looking at some Sardinian dishes earlier and noticed the relatively low gain content as well. High O3 and some fermented foods could easily take away most of the negatives of the grain consumption. It would be fun to be a birdy-in-the-window of the standard Sardinian family

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There is nothing in grains that cannot be obtained from other foods and a lot of stuff we would be better off without: gluten, gliadin, wheat germ agglutinin, phytates, protease inhibitors and so on.

I wonder what roll probiotics play in keeping grains from damaging their guts? This alone could easily be the key to long disease free lives. Add reduce calorie eating, High Omega 3 levels (reducing inflammation), less environmental toxins… mystery eliminated. But it’s the gains that keep them healthy! Right….

It would be interested to see how much of their food is traditionally fermented. They may not ferment now, but we wouldn’t see many ill affects of them stopping for a few generations or many, since modern medicine could no doubt pic up the longevity slack from less optimal diet.

I know Sardinians like to ferment have you ever seen the Sardinian maggot cheese “Casu marzu“

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No one is more aginst the anti saturated fat theory than me.

I was merely pointing out these cultures eat grains and starches without any negative health.

Anyone who saw Anthony Bourdain’s show on Sardinia knows they certainly do not eat low fat. Buettner is a fraud.

I’ve love to see the average Sardinian dish in Sardinia. This would tell the story.

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“Okinawa – The Island of Pork:

Pork appears so frequently in the Okinawan diet that to say “meat” is really to say “pork.” Everything from head to tail is used. As the saying has it, only the “oink” and the toenails go begging. It is no exaggeration to say that the present-day Okinawan diet begins and ends with pork.”

From http://www.wonder-okinawa.jp/026/e/pork.html

Which is a web site of the Okinawa Prefectural Government. They ought to know what their people’s diet actually is!

Just like the French. It must be the wine they drink making them healthy! Couldn’t be something a simple as the fact that they don’t overeat, frown on taking seconds, or maybe the increased fats & fat soluble vitamins in their diet?

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Correlation does not imply causation and I doubt you can point me to a study that proves a cause and effect relationship between grain consumption and longevity.

I don’t know what shows you’re referring to or what hunter-gatherer tribes…I don’t know the makeup of these sugary drinks or what percentage of their total caloric intakes they make up. I can’t possibly comment on this given the lack of info.

I took your advice and read up on the Henry Harpending study. Very interesting! I think this particular snippet would be of interest:

“For example, Europeans can easily digest cereal grains, but Kalahari Bushmen (or San) in Africa, Australian Aborigines, and Native Americans often become diabetic when eating a high-carbohydrate diet.

‘We can see the genes changing. We are evolving to cope with these new cereals,’ Harpending said.

Eventually, this rapid pace of genetic evolution should slow, assuming the human environment and diet stabilize, Harpending said.

‘It’s going to take a while to stabilize,” he said. “By ‘a while,’ I’m talking tens of thousands of years.”

So evidence shows that certain groups have evolved to be capable of digesting cereal grains. It doesn’t show whether or not this is optimum, and it doesn’t tell me whats best for me. We’re not ALL European.

The truth is, eating grains (hopefully whole grains) isn’t going to necessarily lead directly to Type II Diabetes and illness for everyone. However those of us who follow the Primal diet feel evidence is sufficient for us to forgo grains. If you don’t have a problem with it and don’t want to forgo grains, feel free to do so. We can’t ALL go Primal, otherwise we couldn’t sustain this population.

Now that’s a comment!

I’ll make an assumption. Those sugary drinks were fermented, and a good chance the breads were too. Those of us on primal diets know how crappy we feel after we eat grains, Barfknuckles doesn’t. Can you imagine how terrible you’d feel after some grain consumption if you were a paleo man? You’d have a hangover and torn up guts. I doubt you’d be excited about consuming them very often. If the grains had some sort of fermentation (like ancient people have been shown to do) it may help with the tolerance leading to evolutionary adaptation we have today.

“It doesn’t show whether or not this is optimum, and it doesn’t tell me whats best for me.”

This line should close the case.

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That’s why Sardinians , who have the most male centenarians in the world eat whole grain bread , the Costa Ricans ( corn and beans) and the Okinawans ( rice and noodles sweet potatoes )ALL eat GRAINS and STARCHES.

Yeah grains are really bad, so bad you just might live to 100 or beyond. Have you ever checked the nutritional profile of wheat germ you fool? LOADED with nutrients.

That;s why NUMEROUS National Geographic hunter gatherer shows show them making sugary HONEYWINE and BREAD with their howler monkeys.

It is VERY likely grains and starches palyed a moderate role at least in Paleoman’s diet.

Lastly we are NOT the saem as Paleoman you fool. We are not even the same as people from 11,000 years ago.

Look up world renowned anthropologist Henry Harpending. He alread has said this.

Sometimes these paleo bloggers forget they have no credentials. Anthrolopoly is a REAL area of study. Dr Harpending is far more an expert than you or anyone else of these ” internet paleo bloggers” is. Lyle McDonald also has CREDENTIALS.

Only on the internet can someone criticize real experts with credentials and peer reviewed published studies.

Get real.

I have to ask… where do you get that crack you smoke? That’s some good stuff!

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Here I think he doth protest too much! While it is true that no-one can say, for certain, what our palaeolithic ancestors actually ate on a day-to-day basis in every corner of the globe they occupied, it is also a gross untruth to say that “it’s all basically a lot of guesswork”.

We have sufficient evidence/data from the hominin fossil record to make ‘well-educated guesses’ and ‘informed assumptions’ as to what the predominant dietary characteristics were – and plants a-plenty do not figure greatly! By measuring the levels of various radioactive isotopes in the bones of animals and humans it has been possible for palaeontologists to ascertain that we mainly ate meat.

You can also argue that Lyle and his ilk are using the same methodology to draw their conclusions (or denigrate the conclusions of pro-meat-eating palaeontologists) – by looking at current dietary practices and available foods and assuming man must have eaten these in the palaeolithic.

Fruits, for instance, are only sweet, plump and juicy because we have ‘bred’ them that way over the last two thousand years or so. Most uncultivated wild fruits still in existence are small, tough and bitter (and often toxic – various nightshade berries, for example).

We have many different varieties of apples but you cannot grow them from seed – they come up like their wild progenitors (‘crab apples’). Modern edible apples can only be cultivated by budding/grafting – something that does not occur, unaided, in nature.

So rather than tucking in to punnets of the stuff, I would venture that wild fruit – during the palaeolithic – was a sustenance fall-back or even a rudimentary medicine rather than a dietary staple to be relished! And that probably goes double for grains!

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“And probably less prolific because it’s a shit-ton harder to get sufficient calories when you don’t have agriculture of some sort

which is something that folks forget, it’s not that one or the other was good or bad, they simply had pros and cons

sapolsky talked about this in an excellent essay wrt; his baboons who got access to the throwaways from a lodge

pros: earlier reproduction, easier life in terms of obtaining food, more babies
cons: health problems similar to modern man

but nobody seems able to look at it in that context. the development of agriculture is arguably what allowed man to evolve past the Hunter gatherer stage stage. And let humans overpopulate the planet.

Without the ability to get food easily and make lots of kids, we wouldn’t have time to develop anything else.

Which is why all pre-agricultural groups are still basically stuck in teh fucking stone age. Would you give up modern life and everything that came out of it in exchagne for agriculture.

Because I bet they’d love them some Hazda internet porn. Or 1/10th of the shit that we take for granted. None of which would exist had not society domesticated grains like hell and developed civilization.

But cons came along with that development as well.”

He has a point here I would not disagree with. However, we now have evolved systems which clearly provide us with the cheap easy calories needed to keep us busy inventing rather than hunting and further developing technology to move us forward (or backward) as a species.

Why keep eating the shit and accepting the cons when we don’t have to? What are we even arguing about again?

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Where? Nobody has proven anything on either side. Just assumptions. Try reading above troll.

It doesn’t change the fact that gains are shitty for your health. Eat them if you want dude, we’re not your Dad and it’s a free country, but saying grains are healthy is about the equivalent of saying beer is healthy. Why even argue it?

Wait… beer is made of grains maybe I should have said Tequila?
Wait… that’s nicknamed ‘TeKillYa’?

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Ultimately the proof is in the paleo pudding isn’t it? How you feel is key but what about the “actual medical proof”

Let’s compare Lyle’s triglycerides at age 55 to Richards. Let’s see who’s on statins or who knows what other meds when they reach that age.

I’m 42 and sadly most (over 85%) my college buds are on meds and overweight. That can’t be just lucky. Or have the last 4 years off paleo/primal/EF eating reversed some of the damage caused by a lifetime of eating conventionally?

Who knows right? But like you….I know how I feel and can see how I look

Happy holidays and best wishes for a amazing 2010.

Marc

I’m convinced Happy Holidays & amazing 2010 to you too Marc!

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Alright, not trying to speak for Lyle personally, but I hang around on his forums a lot and his opinion/ideas are shared with most everyone there (who is active at least).

I don’t think Lyle would disagree that the Paleo way of eating is FAR healthier than the modern western diet. We eat a lot of shit, no doubt. Just come to my house and you see bags of cereal, packaged food etc.

The sad thing is, most people are ignorant to the fact that these enriched foods are not healthier for them. Billions of dollars are spent to keep it that way. Just watch a few ads on CNN at night. I agree, that in a small fairly specialized BB forum like Lyle’s, most of those people know. Whether they care… probably not. Healthy food is not required for good body composition.

Basically, I believe Lyle is tired of the Paleo Cultists who tell someone they are a f*cking idiot for eating potatoes, bread and rice, when this person has clearly eaten it their entire life without any ill effect.

This is the difference between newbies & vets.

Sure, some people may have some food intolerance to milk, wheat, dairy, gluten, etc. BUT it’s not the entire population. I can only name about 5 people I’ve met in my entire life who’ve ever had any of these issues.

That they know of – I never “had intolerance” to these either… until they were eliminated. Of course I do dairy now, but still have issues with pasteurized stuff. I know this only from testing.

I’m a firm believer that the Paleo style diet is much healthier and rich in micro nutrients than my boxes of cereal and ramen noodles BUT this doesn’t make me go and preach to people the message of eat ‘clean or die’. I simply take what is useful and disregard what is not.

When it’s helped someone sooo much, they tend to get very passionate and want to spread the word. Many people are already oversensitive about diet. Often by informing them, they feel you are ridiculing them. My family is a prime example! I don’t tell them what to eat, I just tell them what they are eating. Generally they know it’s not good for them, but want to remain in denial because they don’t see it as a problem. The weird thing is… I can see it’s causing them problems, and it’s not even my body. They just don’t know!

Some of my family worries about me eating paleo. “You look gaunt.” I get overly sensitive & baffled at the same time. I just want to say, “Look at my plate… now look at yours you fat wheat face.” Of course they’re saying this to me only because they care. If they only knew… if they could hop in my body for 3 minutes… they’d be a convert overnight.

I know Lyle is not bagging on anyone personally, it’s simply that you pass a certain point once you’ve been thoroughly annoyed with lame trolls, who’ve done nothing but read a magazine or a few web pages, and then come to the forums to start bashing others and telling them how to eat Paleo when they know nothing of wtf they are talking about!

Damn noobs ruin everything I may be wrong, but I think Lyle is on board with grains a little more than you know.

Merry Christmas CastleGrok!!!

Merry Christmas to you too buddy! Thanks for keeping us honest

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Thank you Thania! Very merry X-mas for you and your family also! I’m going to have to hit you up for a few recipes soon. I’ve been trolling around looking at your food lately

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Great episode.

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Even if its found that cavemen tended to subsist on a diet of doughnut holes and pizza rolls, that doesn’t change the facts of the Primal/Paleo diet. Persistently elevated levels of insulin from excessive carbohydrate intake is bad. Lyle hasn’t so much attacked the Primal diet as he has its followers, which is a pretty low-brow move in my opinion.

The other cheap shot was in reference to “Cavemen Bloggers” taking advantage of modern day technology. We aren’t trying to bring down modern civilization and recreate the caveman’s actual conditions, we are trying to recreate his hormonal conditions.

Well some of us are. JK – Haha

Well said Jerry! Bottom line… paleo works.

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He is a smart guy. I think arrogance or something is getting the best of him here.

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But while speculating about what happened eons ago is interesting, for me, there’s the real question about anti-nutrients in grains today, especially given industrial food.

Considering the list (e.g., HFCS, lectins, saponins, glutens, phytates, high omega 6, etc.) and other issues (GMO), I know I’m skeptical about Doritos — and other grains — whether one is a couch potato or a triathlete.

“ridiculous amount of physical activity may help one avoid the typical Western problems with a diet high in grains.”

I’m on board half way with that. No doubt exercise works, but gains are inflammatory & so is exercise. Should we really have to exercise that much to counter our diet? Myself like Mark Sisson was a grain eater while training. The inflammation took us both out. I’m young enough to try and get back in

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I actually didn’t have a huge problem with what you quote Lyle with above – except the cell phone thing which is trivial and silly ( I assume that was in jest b/c Lyle is smarter than that). It’s a discussion – nothing wrong with alternate view points and lines of thought. I’d prefer to have all of the arguments out there so I am making the best decisions based on all the possibilities not one view.

Of the two viewpoints presented, though, Cordain’s is far more convincing.

“I actually didn’t have a huge problem” – Me either. You can always learn (if you’re listening ) from discussion. It felt like it’s been snowballing a little lately, so I felt the need to put up something.

Professor Cordain is a pretty damn smart guy. No doubt he does his homework.

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Being cynical, I have to say;
Is there a ‘food’ manufacturer out there getting worried about selling their refined crap, so they are rolling out an expert on their side?

I love to forage, something I’ve done for years, and yes there is a seasonal cycle. It changes on your region.

Yes, I believe that early man have eaten wild rice/grains in moderation as a winter supplement. Eat it or starve when there are no available fruit or veg because of snow. Maybe they even sprouted it. Who knows.

I did note that the Indians who harvest real wild rice (not the modern cross breed sold as wild rice in the shops) describe it as a subsistance crop. They harvest by hitting the rice plant with a stick, letting it drop into the canoe, and then drying later. So quite do-able.

Just because it is edible does not mean it is good for you.

Grok On!

Welcome Judy!

I’ve seen images of primitive peoples doing similar things with grains. Sifting and flipping them into wind with big baskets to float out debris. Many of those practicing these techniques are farmers though. Paleo people could have done the same, but the abundance of grains was not likely there. Not like walking into a heavily planted field like here in the USA. If it was worth their time, I’m sure it would be easier to find evidence backing it.

Good luck with your primal triathlon training. I’ll be a fully primal triathlete myself

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Whether early hominids ate grains or not, it’s not likely to be a staple from which genetic adaptations occur. Occasional consumption of grass seeds (if even that were the case) was not an element too different from occasional consumption of tree bark, poison mushrooms, or rotten vegetables. Or dirt.

In any case, a Paleo diet is not about what our early ancestors ate as much as what they didn’t eat — and reasonable guessing is that grass seeds were difficult, if not impossible, to consume without elaborate equipment, at least not at large-scale quantity. But even if they were consumed, it does not mean they were health-producing.

The Paleo diet is not so much about duplicating EXACTLY what our ancestors did, but about adopting the healthiest practices by which our early ancestors might have thrived — which happened to be most likely those things of simplicity, natural, basic, and wholesome.

But forget about early hominids and the theories about what they did or did not. Isn’t there enough evidence in the field of bioenergetics and physiology to indicate that most of the grain-based carbohydrates are not only unnecessary but — with their high levels of anti-nutrients, calorie density, and nutrient-sparsity — devoid of health-promotion, and are downright unhealthy?

Do must of us not have better choices like more vegetables, fresh fruits, healthy fats, and quality meats? This alone should qualify the Paleo Diet as a legitimate, sustainable diet to repair the obesity epidemic and health crisis for the majority… no matter how many other diets have been shown to work for the few.

Good post, Castle.

Thanks Johnny. Great comment! The last paragraph especially is gold. Most of us have joined this “cult” because we’ve see the health benefits first hand. Paleo eating almost literally saved my life. Hard not to be passionate about that!

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As knee-jerk a reaction a statement like this is, there is some truth to it. Calling it a fad is a typical dismissive tactic though. How can you call something a fad if you don’t know how long the interest is going to last? This also shows the typical small single human centered concept of time. On an evolutionary scale, in which human evolution is still a blip on the scale of the age of the universe, the fad is agriculture and industrialized products, lowfat-highgrain dogma being the most recent, shortest and most prevelant now.

re: I’d note that it’s unlikely that there was any singular evolutionary diet in the first place.

This line made me think of an article I read recently http://boingboing.net/2009/12/16/how-shellfish-saved.html that is speaking about the theory that our population, about 1xx,xxx years ago was reduced to 1000 breeding pairs, that is, 2000 to 20000 individuals. That’s a hell of a genetic bottleneck! So perhaps there is actually something to the idea of specific evolutionary diet.

re: show an amazing ability to adapt to drastically differing diets as well

Sure. Adapt doesn’t mean evolve the ability to thrive. Hence, gluten intolerance, lactose intolerance, legume allergies, etc. Also, when we went from hunter-gather to agriculture we took a huge hit. Sure, people were able to have enough food to make it to breeding age, and long enough to raise the children to the age they could survive, but when you look at the remains of the humans during that transition, our height took a hit, our bones and teeth took a hit.

re: Human ancestors evolving in say Alaska would have had far different foods available than someone living in the arid plains in Africa.

It’s funny that he mentions Alaska versus Africa. I already mentioned the possible genetic bottleneck around 200kya, but the fact that he chose Alaska is just truly ignorant. We evolved initially in Africa and stayed their, while we only hit Alaska and the rest of the Americas a few thousand years before major agriculture developed. Even THAT is a 10x factor in time!

re: we can’t say with much certainty what they did eat

The ignorance! Even without pure scientific certainty, take an educated guess! What did they have available to eat for hundreds of thousands of years, up into maybe 2 million? Meat, vegetable plants, maybe a few nuts and berries. A recent article (I can’t find now) was talking about a gene we evolved/adapted that makes eating meat easier, and we developed this gene eons ago. A factor of 100x longer than adapting to eating grains/lactose/legumes, etc.

re: apparently that same logic doesn’t apply to the computers they use to blog with, the Internet that they blog on

I won’t be nice here. This is just plain outright stupid. How can you compare a biologically evolved diet with using a cellphone? This isn’t about technology we use that has nothing to do with our diet! You wanna talk about technology like sharpened rocks, spears and atlatls, let’s go for it! This is the least logical and rational parts I’ve read.

I’m not going to address the “grasses” section much. As Cordain points out, we simply didn’t have the technology to grow, harvest and utilize grasses to any sufficient caloric amount. As you mentioned, we are so used to the availability of food, we simply can’t comprehend what it’s like to be completely starving. Hence cannibalism. Hence, if you can eat it and don’t die, you’ll eat it.

Bah… I don’t even know why I’m dignifying this with a response. Those of us that are following a paleo/primal lifestyle have seen the positive changes in our bodys and minds.

Great comment arlojeremy! Thanks for taking the time. Nice addition.

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I use to take his work with a Tbsp of salt, but I was getting a little more bloat than I like. I’ve dialed back to about a pinch now myself.

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Excellent Post. Lyle certainly comes across as a smart guy, who both knows he’s smart and thinks no one else can be. He offers very thoughtful, extremely opinionated discussions about diet and nutrition. I enjoy his writings, but take them with a pinch (not a grain!) of salt .

Cheers,

Bryce

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In the 2nd picture, is that the head on the left?

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These steers roamed freely on about 60 acres of grassy hills for their entire lives. They had excellent stress free lives. This was just another day for them.

• It’s extremely quick. A headshot with a .22WMR at nearly point blank range was used for these animals. Lights out! They drop straight down just like they fell from the sky or their legs were evaporated in a millisecond.
• Next they’re stabbed/cut through the throat and left to bleed out for a few minutes. This is where most would probably have a hard time with the process.
• About half the hide is then cut away from the body and the back legs are hooked to the crane. The animal is raised up slightly so the very heavy guts and stomach can be rolled out of the body cavity very easily
• The animal is lifted completely off the ground and the rest of the hide and head is removed. The body is sawed into halves (or quarters if needed) down the spine.

That’s pretty much the process.

I use to know about butchering and meat cuts a long time ago, but honestly I forgot them because I didn’t care. If it’s meat, and still edible… I’ll eat it with a smile The cut doesn’t have much significance to me.

I’m the worst cut and wrapper ever. I will not be asked to be the tribes butcher anytime soon. I’m the hunter

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Speaking of Where’s the Beef… I’m trying to get my Mom to scan a photo of me as a child with a “Where’s the Beef?” logo stenciled on the front of it!

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The cave will be fully operational next month sometime hopefully.

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Sorry. Really, I am.

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The extra bonuses of nature, exercise, fresh air, and knowing your animal lived their life in a natural setting… are just cherries on top.

I’d be lying if the kill part didn’t make me feel masculine, but I think this is a very natural evolutionary feeling. I’m not into the hunting ego thing AT ALL!

Bare hands or gun, makes no difference to me. I’d actually prefer not using the gun, but game management laws (necessary evil) and lack of time due to having work commitments put you at a huge disadvantage in this day and age.

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I was very against it, but I have never known anyone who hunted to actually eat the food. The few people I’ve ever met who hunt did it for the pleasure of killing and to demonstrate their superiority (with a firearm) to the animal in wits and power. I’m not sure they succeeded. I had a very negative view of hunting. But this just makes sense and is actually pretty darn impressive.

Glad you posted this.

I was just thinking that it’s pretty weird that I have a master’s degree but never saw anyone kill to eat! In over half a century. So now I’m officially enlightened

Very impressive, CastleGrok!

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Mom went shopping today, so there’s butter in this house now. She tried to hide the 4-5 more boxes of margarine she bought, because she knows I totally rag on her ass about it. She said he wouldn’t buy it anymore!

I decided to boil the turnips rather than steam. After mashing, just let them sit for a few minutes and then drain off the extra water. I added 2 tbsp of butter and ate. They almost had a raw pumpkin flavor. I really liked it

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My pile of Turnip mash rolled in at 150 cal/25 net carbs.
Equivalent Russet potato mash 420 cal/89 net carbs

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Inspired by Arthur De Vany, I like to mix it up. Sometimes I will walk and do random periods of hard running. Sometimes I will do all out sprints – these are brief (<10s). You know you are sprinting when your eyes are bugging out… good stimulation of fight or flight response.

I go hell bent for leather when I sprint too. 10 seconds feels like 2 minutes

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There is no butter, sour cream or heavy cream in this house, and the non-fat milk was empty. I did find some Philadelphia Chive & Onion cream cheese, so I added some of that.

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A little more carb dense, and I think I may like the Cauliflower mash better… but this is still a nice alternative to mashed potatoes.

P.S. I steamed my Rutabaga

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Man I wish I had some of that cream! I might also steam. I’ve had both Turnips and Rutabagas since I went to the store after #SurvivalMonths, but with all the chaos haven’t had a chance to make them.

Since you just reviewed mashed turnips, maybe I’ll do the Rutabagas first. I think I’ll do them tonight.

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As for mashed turnips, turned out awesome! I steamed them instead of boiling, figured I would not leech out as many nutrients that way. Got them fork tender, pulled them out, added some grass-feed, glass-bottled, hormone free heavy cream and some of the same said butter (amazing how much different it tastes than regular butter!)pulled out the hand masher, and 3 minutes later, mashed turnips. A little on the watery side, maybe the same consistency as oatmeal or cream-of-wheat. Not sure if it is something I did or I could do something about. Taste not to different than cauliflower, they are in the same family. I will definitely try to sub them for potatoes in the future, although I have never really been a potato fan, even before trying to go paleo/low carb, so I will have to make an effort 36 cal. total, 8 g carbs total, 2 of fiber, and 5 of sugar. Lots of other minerals, and an interesting history of use, not sure why it is not a more popular food.

Give it a try and see what you think!, Also, not bad raw. Good luck with the house.

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25g-30g hazelnut meal
1 egg

Fry in coconut oil.

Top with cacao and cherries.

Wowzers. So super easy, and fluffy too!

Almost melted down some cacao for these ones, but I bought a pile of bulk cinnamon the other day.

I think these hazelnut pancakes would probably be better than almond anyway. Hazelnuts are the bomb! I need to order some Hazelnut flour. I see that Bob’s Red Mill makes it. Hooray!

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I’m only sensitive to almonds… I might try the pancakes with hazelnut – that could be waaaay tasty!

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I’ve been considering buying some flax for recipes like these. I almost bought some tonight. Maybe I will tomorrow if I have to head into town.

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Here are some variants I have messed with:

Almond meal

Coconut crepes (seriously good)

Ah bummer! Too bad it’s against the law to kill & eat the V1agra spammers The back button (Firefox & Safari) will keep the comment in the box for future reference.

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Guess my breakfasts aren’t that big. Or it’s the added fruit-carbs

I might be happy with a 9 egg version, but 12 would make me happier. Too many years of huge heavy Bisquick stacks submerged in Ms. Buttersworth I guess. I’ll have to consider these pancake days as cheat days. Full recipe is a huge amount of calories once you add in the other ingredients!

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1/2 c almond flour
1/4 c flaxseed meal
1/4 c splenda
1/2 tsp baking powder
1/2 tsp baking soda
1/8 tsp salt
1 T vanilla
1/4 cup water
2 eggs

A picture

SPLENDA!!!!

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Are you sensitive to nuts in general, or could you sub in a different nut flour?

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Other things I’ve noticed to help: Fasting, when I drink more ACV, and staying away from nightshades (lots of tomatoes specifically).

Cod liver oil made a big difference too. I started that back before primal. I recently upped my dose to 3Tbsp a day since I’m starting to Tri train again.

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BTW:

“At least for now anyway, I like having up-most control over my brew.” It’s not “up-most” it’s “utmost”.
Thanks. Although I am a terrible at grammar and spelling, this was probably spellcheck.

“I’ve seen bartenders do this trick to taste test whiner’s drinks.” I believe you mean “winer’s”.
Nope – Whiner: noun, a person who makes frequent complaints usually about little things.

Thanks for looking out for me. I write most of this stuff in the dark hours of the morning

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You’ll just have to trust @Cass & me on this one. Just like raw milk, the stuff really doesn’t go bad. That Mozzarella I pulled out last week was by far the worst! It was truly nasty.

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Susan

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I agree that intevals are addicting. It’s part of the reason why I only approve of doing them 1-2x per week – people will simply burn themselves out very quickly.

I disagree with the increased metabolism statement. EPOC does not really increase the overall burn by much at all. There is a whole series on this. start here: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/steady-state-versus-intervals-and-epoc-practical-application.html

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I would have to agree with a lot of what JC is saying here. As a Certified PT as well, I always strive for my clients to amp up the intensity. HIT sprints are a good way to incorporate it into a training routine.

Getting to a base fitness level is key first. Getting the form and feel of the movements will allow for a lifetime of fitness.

Also, before (any) HIIT training, be sure to warmup properly.

Using HIIT training-with sprints as well as weight does a body good:
-Increasing your VO2 Max oxygen intake
-Lowering resting heart rate
-Longer increase of metabolism over more extended periods of time (over the next 24-48 hours, instead of just during the activity like steady state cardio)
-High levels of energy/calories used in a single training session

Feel the burn!
Be Well,
-Max

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@JC – Pics coming as soon as I get a minute to drag everything out of the fridge and take them.

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I took the worst of them out, but there’s still some in there probably. I’ll see if I can get a few comparison pics.

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Ah… Turnip mash. That would be a fine choice too. I haven’t had those, so please do!

As soon as I’m done with #SurvivalMonths (or you report back) I’ll try them. If approved… They’ll be added to this list

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I’m back on the wagon today, but will have to hold off weighing myself until Monday so I can purge the extra food and extra weight.

If I don’t show a gain, I’ll be happy. I’m not holding my breath for fear of turning blue

Update:

Gained 21lbs between Thanksgiving and Christmas. About two of those weeks I even dieted. I hate you ridiculous appetite! My entire 6 week cure loss completely blown + more!

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The good thing is… my fails are primal. Thanksgiving week is a tough week to be behind on sleep!

Update:
Sunday :: Controlled binge

Monday :: Fast. Very tired

Tuesday Night — Wednesday
Basically an uncontrolled binge 100% primal.
Triggered by pie baking & the fact that I DID NOT sleep or even go to bed (Last binge 2mo/5days).

WednesDAY :: Controlled high-cal. Cleaning dairy out of fridge.

Thursday :: Thanksgiving. Have paleo squash pie & kefir ice cream ready for indulgence!

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-Jay

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Too bad with so many benefits of switching that more people don’t try and fool themselves

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• I have a quart of honey in the cupboard I’m never using otherwise
• Some people like the thought of using “natural sugars”

Side-by-side, my dark colored honey fermented several days faster in mostly white tea (some green), as opposed to the other using only green, despite using a smaller SCOBY!

Honey Kombucha Verdict
In my opinion (which doesn’t amount to much – Haha) Kombucha made with honey is not even close to as good as kombucha made with white sugar like in the recipe above.

I could have used better honey for sure, but the honey undertones of the brew are just not very appealing to me. They almost kind of stink. It still smells sorta sweet, so I have to wonder if it contains more unfermented sugars/carbs.

Honey Kombucha burps and bubbles a lot more! The SCOBIES bubble and fart (not audibly) like crazy throughout the entire fermentation process. It appears that heavy carbs give cultures gas too

I’ve had honey Kombucha in the fridge for several weeks now. The left over mother (after straining) seems to continue growing in the fridge much more so than with white sugar. There’s a lot more debris floating in the honey kombucha after a short period. Another indicator that there might be more sugar left in the final product.

Bottom line: “If it aint broke, don’t fix it”

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That house was full of almost nothing I’d eat! I fried up the remaining vegetables which amounted to: some rotting peppers and old onions, with eggs and some *cough* extra moldy blue cheese.

The rest of the time I had to stare at: Hot Pockets, cupcakes, jelly filled white donuts, fresh breads, boxes of sugary cereals, berry/aspartame fill yogurts, freezer FULL of “fruit bars”, and mountains of home canned fruit and jellies laying around! Of course behind cupboard doors were all the delicious MSG and soy infused hydrogenated oil products.

I left that place eating zero junk! The worst sugar filled thing I had was a very fresh Braeburn apple

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It took me somewhere between 6 to 18 months to completely break free of the sugar and grains addiction. Somewhere in this period, the severe cravings slowly and steadily diminished. Now I can stare at a plateful of birthday cake or a plate of garlic-cream pasta without so much as a flinch. I’d even choose to eat a *small portion* at a holiday meal with close friends and family, but only as a means to enjoy fully the holiday spirit along with the others.

Great post, Grok.

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• No they are not. Most have tons of additives, artificial sugars, chemicals, and flavors. I avoid any brands with soy like the plague that it is!
• I always get “natural flavor” as this seems to have the least amount of extra added junk.
• Not as much flavor, but who gives a crap. I’m not sipping it like coffee for flavor.
• Since it’s all processed, look for the higher protein “isolate” or predigested “hydrolyzed” stuff.
• My favorite commercial brands are: Biochem & Designer Whey.
• Caprotein’s Fermented Goat protein is cool, but a bit pricy. Contains casein A2 (good).
• I use TrueProtein if I’m thinking ahead. Email me for a discount.

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• I am not a paleo/primal eater for weight loss reasons!
• Never have been. I started to because of my inflammatory conditions.
• I continue to preach paleo/primal for it’s piles of health related benefits.
• I am currently on a fat-loss diet!
• Do Not confuse this with my paleo/primal lifestyle!
• Real food is best, but at my level of bodyfat, Calories DO MATTER.
• I’m looking at calories & carbs only.
• Real meat (elk) = 432cal/54g protein.
• My whey protein = 248cal/54g protein.
• This means twice the protein or add cod liver oil for the same cals. This is why I do what I do.
• I won’t argue real meat isn’t much more heathy than the processed powder.
• If you have more than 15% or so bodyfat, you don’t need crazy reduction like mine!
• Just eat whole-real-foods & obviously exercise some level of moderation while doing so
• Try the real 6 Week Cure protocol if you need extra help. It will work fantastic for you!

I just want to make this abundantly clear. Thank you for following my Journey!

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Thanks. It’s great to read that.

I know many people think I’m crazy… but outside of the mainstream dieting world, this really is not as unhealthy/bad as a lot of other alternatives I could be using for similar results.

I said it 7 weeks ago, and I’ll say it again. THERE WILL BE NO MORE #FAILS. I’m sick of the whole diet debacle. I’m closing up this chapter of my life ASAP so I can move onto my bigger goals!

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No convincing needed here

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I ate it right away like a treat. No rationing

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Thanks Lisa

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I know you’re already taking a healthy dose of Vitamin D (right?), so a good dose of Vitamin C and low-levels of insulin from your new mashed selection almost assures your immune system will be in tip-top shape around all those relatives with lingering colds and flu! Plus you’ll be doing them a favor too (maybe if they stay light on the pie. Ha-ha)!

Add some fermented foods to the table like non-pasteurized sauerkraut or homemade yogurt with raw milk and you’ll be the most caring family member or friend they have! Give the gift of thriving health this holiday season!

I guess while I’m on the topic of thriving health, maybe consider gifting them with copies of the Primal Blueprint and In Defense of Food by Michael Pollan. I highly recommend both. They’re easy reading. Both authors have a great writing style. If they’re lazy, maybe warm them up to the idea of real food with a copy of Food Inc. on DVD.

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I’m not a stevia advocate, but it is probably a better option than anything else. I avoid it as much as possible, but am not afraid of consuming it like most of the others.

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At almost 300 calories and 60 carbos, I’d ditch to stupid potatoes in a second to go for something better! Like say a piece of pie?

Planned cheat day? Do the alternatives above and you can almost eat a piece of pie guilt free!
(If you’re one who gets OCE guilt)

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No, I try to make everything as 100% as possible, but some days I just go “fuck it” and have pizza and ice cream – but that happens less than once every three months. Every now and again I’ll have a little milk in my coffee or a plain full fat yoghurt, but actually I strive for 99/1. This has mostly to do with the fact that I’m very overweight and need to drop a huge amount. Once I’ve shed what I need to I probably will relax a bit and eat tubers…

2. How are your diet’s percentage % numbers broken down?

I have no idea, really, but I suspect about 15-25% protein, 70% fat and 5% carbs.

3. How often do you fall off the wagon? (Be honest)

Really truly fall off the wagon and binge on neolithic foods? About once every three months. But ONE meal with ONE neolithic aspect such as rice, potatoes or a dessert? About once every two weeks.

4. Are strays in your diet intentional? (People do indulge and/or mess up. Be honest)

Uhm, sometimes out of either laziness or a desire for variety I’ll just say “hang it all’ and have cheese or bread for example and I’ve definitely CHOSEN to go that route, so in a sense they are intentional. NOW they are – they never used to be. It took me one year to get in full control of my eating patterns.

5. If your “20%” is a class of foods, which foods do you allow? (Mine is raw dairy)

My forays into less-paleo foods are always chocolate, ice cream and cheese.

Sounds like your “20″ is the occasional “fuck it” I’m a bit surprised I haven’t see a little bit more of that. Not as many people demonizing dairy like the grains as I expected. However, most of the dairy above is fermented.

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2) 85/15 I’d say. Raw dairy and coconut oil are the main culprits.

3) Fall off for birthdays without guilt and have been known to eat Localavore ice cream once a month.
4) Yes my strays are thoughtful.

5) See above.

Pretty sad coconut oil is not on the list and Olive is. Not sure what Professor Cordain’s logic is there (maybe someone knows?), but he is a very smart guy and must have a reason. Coconut is most certainly an ancient food (not for all of us) and a great source of MCTs.

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Lack of sleep definitely leads to massive overeating for me. Since I upped my dose of Vitamin D to 6,250iu, I’ve been MUCH less stressed and had a much easier time eating healthy and in normal portion sizes. See my Vitamin D Super-dosing page. There’s some outgoing links there that will give body-weight dosing recommendations. This might be something worth looking into for you too.

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“It’s a menu to me” PERFECT! And I love looking at your menu. I hate using the word “diet” when I’m talking with people. Most automatically pop “fad” into their mind. I’ve been at this long enough now, that people who know me at all are starting to realize my interest in this “diet” is hardly a fad.

I’m with you on the ferments. Every once in a blue moon I’ll put straight raw milk into my coconut flakes. Honestly, right now I’m scared of the carbs. I’m so damn sick of dieting. Cant wait to get back to maintenance! I may drinking more straight Raw goat milk post-workout for glycogen replenishing. That wont happen until I’m done with this cut and start training longer again.

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I ran out of coconut oil last night. Coconut oil is a vital part of my 6 Week Cure Diet right now, so I broke down and bought coconut oil today.

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2. I like to think more 90/10

3. Family gatherings is tough, like this Thanksgiving I volunteered to work 12 hours so I could avoid the overabundance of that meal that day.

4. No, cheating to me is maybe eating bigger portions

5. Synergy lately and whey protein powder.

I stay away from fruits, I have been strict on the avoidance of sugars. I have been into so many heated discussions on that subject that I have to stay true to myself. WE ALL HAVE CHOICES!

Grok on!

Like my new pic? Thanks CastleGrok new avatar? I still see the purple bug

Sounds almost exactly like me. I doubt I’ll stray/cheat anymore, but I do enjoy a big primal feast! I’ll be only eating fruit in season and in very little quantities in the future. I have some dried apple and pears from this year, so I will probably crumble some of those into my coconut flakes once I start training a little harder in about 6 months. I don’t really put berries in with fruit since they are lower glycemic and have more AOX, but I’m limiting quantities of those also. I have a bunch of frozen berries I picked in the freezer.

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2) Some days it’s 90%/10%, others it’s closer to 60%/40% – depends on what’s available.

3) Every couple of days.

4) Not intentional – necessary. I can only IF for so long, and again – truck stop fare, and not all of them have restaurants (think foraging for primal food in a convenience store.)

5) Dairy (cheese mostly), dark chocolate to celebrate a milestone, less than perfectly primal meat choices (ie – commercially made beef jerky which usually has sugar, too much salt, and even MSG added)

I know all about the cellophane wrapped truck stop food. Bleh…. I worked in an industrial area for about a decade. Nasty mayo-soaked soggy white bread, w/gross ham & iceberg lettuce. A pickly slice if you’re lucky! If you’re really lucky… you might find a 5 bite sized lettuce salad w/one sliced egg, bacon bits and a chopped up slice of tomato.

Sounds to me like you’re doing fairly well. You may have to start packing more of your own food. Some of the vendors on my Real Food resource page have some good not-so perishable stuff you could rathole in the truck.

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I ate 5,000 calories Monday night and have had a few tablespoons of oil and two scoops of protein each day since (today is Friday).

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Eating tiny amounts is not only torture for a guy like me, but not eating at all is much more affective.

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2. About 80/20.

3. I’ve only been doing this for 3 weeks, so twice so far. Twice I had some croutons on a Caesar salad, and I didn’t ask about the Caesar dressing.

4. Not planned at all.

5. I allow raw dairy, coconut oil, Synergy, and sometimes don’t ask about details when I eat out at a nice restaurant. Usually at a restaurant I eat just what I’m absolutely sure of (like just avoid the dressing on the salad or the mango salad if I think it might have sugar added).

Doing great Olivia! You can make requests at restaurants you know. Ask them hold the croutons and add extra nuts or something, and ask for olive oil instead. They don’t care. I never eat out, so I don’t have many of the temptations many of you have.

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Keep up the good work

Thanks @findchris. Feel better when they’re intentional. Master of your own domain That restaurant bread is like crack, be careful buddy! Actually there’s a study now showing it’s worse than crack! Ha-ha

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1) I do not hold myself to a true 80/20, but I do try to make all of my food choices as Paleo as possible.
2) If you’re 80/20, then I’m probably closer to 70/30
3) With my line of reasoning, I don’t fall off the wagon. I’m not strict Paleo, but do my best with what I have. I probably won’t have the “best” results, but my choices have already made a difference to me and set me ahead of 95% of the population. I’m OK with that.
4) Yes, my strays are intentional and there is a cost/benefit discussion internally. Sometimes the cost is too high, but when I do splurge, I ENJOY it!
5) I’m with you on dairy. I also have a hard time giving up peanut butter.

You’re welcome. Thank you for contributing!

Probably 99% above the population… your body is ok with that too! I like to think a stray once every blue moon is a system shocker and potentially beneficial. Surely Grok found a Beehive now and again? Peanut butter? With so many other delicious butters that are way better (IMO)?

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Raw dairy lovers so far… Good stuff!

Rice is probably a good vice. Billions of people eat it in moderation and stay healthy. I haven’t partaken since going primal, but I used to eat a lot of it. Still have sealed containers of some quality stuff in cupboard.

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2.) About 90-95% for me: 5% non-Paleo: my Stevia habit!

ALL meats, fish, game – Veg: celery, zukes, greens, ginger – Fruit (rare): lemons, berries – Fats: Coconut/Cod liver oil, marrow (whenever I can get my paws on it), nuts, cacao – Beverage: H2O, coffee, green tea

Avg carb intake: 50g/day – Avg workout: 40 min/day (high intensity) – Been playing w IF for a while now(2yrs)… right now I’m fasting 20+ hours most days, besides CLO intake which is about 1-3 TBS/day.

Be well,
Max – President Nu-FiT
Nu-FiT.net

Thanks Bro! Big CLO fan here too. I take 1-2T most days. Sounds a lot like mine. My veg are roots & greens too. I compacked your comment, but the content is all there still. Hope you don’t mind.

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Great Job! Wine is approved in moderation I guess too.

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No animal fats in your fat/oil section? What about coconut/palm?

Not my list or it would be. Is heavy on my personal chart up top.

IMO 100% cacao is an ancient food source and is completely paleo. I’m on board with CO/Palm to, but it does take processing to get it out, but so does olive oil?

Funny enough, beer a